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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
Could someone please recommend a good wand for the Vernon Wand Spin?
I learned the spin from Ammar's Cups and Balls Video's and wanted to find a beutiful wand which was HEAVY enough to perform the spin. Any suggestions?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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hkwiles Special user Howard Wiles 797 Posts |
Try this one I got from Peguin. nice wooden/brass tips quite heavy.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/browse.php?s......amp;y=14 Howard |
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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
Wow, that wand looks awesome. I already put in my order to getthis one with the brass tips.
Also, I would like to find a heavy wand with wooden or rubber tips (so they don't damage the cups)? Any suggestions on a non-metal tipped wand which is heavy? Thank you very much, Rich
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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Tilman Regular user 182 Posts |
Hi Richard,
The wand you use to do the Vernon wand spin does not have to be heavy at all. There are people doing the spin with wands made of bamboo. While the spin is easier with a heavy wand, you can achieve a much more controlled spin with a light wand. The lighter the wand, the more you can influence the speed of the wand as it spins. Also, if you go for a lighter wand, you will find many more wands that will not damage your cups easily. (James Riser has compiled some pictures of cups damaged by metal-tipped wands: http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/Cup/Dings.html ) Lastly, you may want to consider the issue of injuring spectators that may get 'in the way'. |
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mcmc Veteran user 310 Posts |
Tom Frank also sells Ironwood wands, a solid single piece of ironwood (lignum vitae). His nick here on the Café is 'Tom Frank' - try pm'ing him.
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BerkleyJL Veteran user Chicago, IL 397 Posts |
I use the wand that hkwiles suggested and the spin is very easy. Be careful practicing though, because I almost broke a knuckle!
I'm working with the ironwood wand I got from Tom Fank with the Phoenix cups. The set is beautiful and if I can get control of that (very light) wand, it'll definitely be nice to work with!
I need a stage name.
Joe Berkley |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
I agree with Tilman that the wand need not be heavy in order to do the spin. What seems to affect its performance is its length to diameter ratio and balance. Shorter wands are simply not going to get the momentum needed to cause the action to become fluid and almost perpetual. If you are constantly having to drive the wand through the entire spin, then the action loses too much, and it's time to look for a wand that is better proportioned. The wand's balance must want to carry itself through the action, once it has been set into motion.
If it is too heavy, control becomes an issue as centrifugal force begins to work against you, wanting to sling the wand away from you. The stronger your fingers, the more easily this is controlled, but accidents are more likely. I have very good results from a wand that I turned from a piece of Brazillian Cherry that is no more than a piece of wood... no metal tips. The wood is heavier than many woods, but not as much as say, Ebony, and certainly not nearly as heavy as a wand tipped in metal. It is a little over 15 inches in length and about 9/16" in diameter.
~michael baker
The Magic Company |
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
I've tried a few wands but the GoldenRod made by Bill Palmer has to be my favorite. It's heavier than most but I'm a big guy and have very strong fingers because of my other hobbies.
I bought the Penguin wand a long time ago and liked it. It's a fine product and I had a hard time giving it up, but the GoldenRod is so much better. I only gave my Penguin wand to my son a couple of days ago. |
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
A properly balanced wand with weighted tips will spin the best. It doesn't have to be heavy. Kirk
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I just got a porper wand made for use with Biro's Cocktail Surprise and it spins very well and the weight seems more centered rather than at the tips.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
Well what do you know?! ;-) Kirk
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
I second the Porper wand...it is the best balanced wand I have ever used.
Mike |
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
Remember that the wand doesn't make the wand spin, practice does; although the added weight will help- a heavy wand isn't necessary to perform the spin.
For close up I use a wand made by John Cornelius's (it's thin, light, and folds in half), and for parlor/stage I use a polished aluminum rod. Both work just fine when performing the Vernon Spin (as well as other wand moves). MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
The Tabman wands looks great:
http://www.questx.com/tables/ |
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Tom Frank V.I.P. industrial Strength Magic 493 Posts |
I just got a Thomas Wayne Wand and must say it's the nicest I've ever seen. I posted a few pics of it to my blog if you want to check it out.
http://www.ballvase.com/tfrank/weblog/tfblog.htm It's got great weight and is surprisingly durable for a gourmet wand. I was out beating my cups with it just yesterday! No nicks or chips just pure magic! TF |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
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On 2005-02-22 17:24, Richard Shippy wrote: I have two Vernon spin wands. They are from Sorcery Manufacturing. They are literally called: The Vernon Spin Wand. They are black with silver tips. Plastic nice quality. They come with illustrated instructions for the spin. $15.00 + postage each. PM me John |
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
I have one of Michael Ammar's Mercury Wands for sale. This is aluminum with rubber over the middle part. This is the wand he teaches the spin with, and the one he uses on his videos. The weight is very good for a spin. I learned on this, now I can spin a lighter wooden wand. This link will break when it sells:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......76&0 Yours, Paul |
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ChrisJ Loyal user Lapeer, MI 226 Posts |
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On 2005-02-25 08:20, Kjellstrom wrote: I see Tabman has 2 sizes. a 12" and a 14" wand. What is the most common length or is this too a personal preference? Having never really used a wand other then the breakaway, multiplying wands etc...what is the preferred length for a C&B routine or other applications? (your preference) Thx Chris |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
The traditional length is from your hand to elbow (probably to facilitate "flip stick" moves)
14" is probably the most popular size. I've tried wand spins with shorter ones with less than stellar results.
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BerkleyJL Veteran user Chicago, IL 397 Posts |
I have only used a 12" wand, unless you count when I was messing around with the "Needle thru Arm" wand...That thing was a beast!
I'm sure it boils down to preference and balance issues. For the Vernon spin, a longer wand means a better chance of knocking yourself in the arm with it.
I need a stage name.
Joe Berkley |
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