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steve j
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I've been doing this routine for a while and I havent had any problems, I think only once I was asked to examine the rings, from then on I thought of an ideal switch for four single rings, so now I always end clean
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I'm very familiar with the "i know how that's done" comment. (I work for kids a lot.) This was very specific info coming from a kid who said he owns a "magic set." Unfortunate heckling. Hopefully rare.
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Yo Brett Sears!! Waz Sup my old friend? Hope all is well in Cincinnati. Miss you.

Posted this ring routine to the web, from my DVD

http://homepage.mac.com/tfrank8176/iMovieTheater4.html

Not the Ninja Rings. . . but not bad.

also, for more laughs, pics and posts visit my blog

http://www.ballvase.com/tfrank/weblog/tfblog.htm
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On 2005-03-03 09:58, bsears wrote:
... maybe someday I'll work out a way to have all the rings examined.


I've been pondering a couple different ways to store the rings such that you could either switch one out or switch out an entire set of rings. I have not made a prototype yet but I have a sketch or two.

We'll never run out of bratty kids. You can handle it by saying shhh.... and giving them a wink and then proceed. That will usually work 90% of the time but what fun is that when you'd rather beat them to a pulp.
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A good performance of Odin's Count could help allay those that 'know the trick'.
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Hey Tom - Good to hear from you. I keep up with your blog all the time, my man. Makes me laugh, makes me cry. Great to see you drop in here. Your ring routine is one of the best - your signature piece. I'm sure plenty of others will enjoy it now that ITS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE ON DVD.

rik - good advice. it seems people who are most successful with a ring routine have pieced it together using many ideas from various sources. I'm still at it!
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Bsears, I've played with the idea of producing a short instructional download teaching Odin's Count, maybe an instant download and charging $5 for it. It seems that a lot of people would profit from it. I've seen a lot of professionals do it poorly. Of course, they did it poorly from MY point of view. I could see when the exchanges happened. Most other people couldn't. I saw Richard Ross do Odin's Count and, sure enough, I could unerringly pick out the exchange. He brought the rings together slightly differently when he did the exchange.

Jeff McBride said that he used to do Odin's Count, but decided that it wasn't worth the effort and now does that half dropping thing. I guess it works, but hey, what is more deceptive than showing eight rings, one at a time, to the spectator? Then they are CERTAIN that they are all seperate.

As for the spectator 'knowing' the secret--- practice the crash link with the ring in the spec's hand. Take Shoot Ogawa's advice and learn to do it with a small motion. He said that his master could do it without the crash. He could just place the key on top of the ring and push and they would link. So I nailed a couple of pieces of wood together to hold a ring like a spectator would and practiced until I could do it myself.

Believe me, he was right. When a spectator sees that they begin to think that they got a 'beginner's set' of rings and you must be doing something entirely differently. Especially if you sell it. Here's something typical that I do.

"Hold this right here" place the ring about a foot from the spec's face, top of the ring at their chin level. "Now look riiiiight here." put your finger on the spot where they should look. "My ring is going to melt through right here. Don't take your eyes off it. No, no, you don't need a death grip on the ring, just relax and hold it - this is an 'easy' move."

Place the key on his ring. Slide it back and forth along his ring, from your point of view it's a side to side swing. Make sure that your hand is relaxed.

"That's metal on metal, right?"

As soon as they open their mouth to say "right", do the link. Watch their lips. When those lips part to say "right", that's when you do it. They are partially distracted even though they are staring.

I've seen spectator's drop their ring as if it were red hot. One spectator literally turned around and ran from me yelling back that "You're just not right, you're not right."

More than anything else it takes self confidence to pull this off, no more than a foot from the spectator's chin. Just be sure that you don't do this at eye level because they may catch sight of something that you don't want them to.
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Rik - I'm not surprised at the success you've had with the rings, now that I can see how dedicated you are! I'll investigate the count, but would ideally prefer to hand the rings out and let the audience count and examine them, switch them for the set, then proceed.

Thanks for the advice.
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Bsears, you COULD do that, but I wouldn't want to switch out one set for another. First of all you have to have two sets - no, three sets, because you'll need one performance set, another set from which you remove the key, and another set from which you take a single ring to make up for the missing key.

THEN you have to be very careful when you make the switch. You can't really palm a set of 5" rings unless your hand is massive. And when you turn to make the switch it will be really easy to have the rings 'talk'.

Next you would need really wide pockets with which to hide the real set.

Or you could learn Odin's Count.
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Rik- I understand your points. Those are definitly the roadblocks! I am hoping that maybe the rings will be available at some point for sale individually. I had also considered switching only a few of the rings at a time, which would allow for added misdirection.

I would not use the pockets to switch. I was thinking more along the lines of a sevante while working with a table and maybe a topit or holdout while standing. Again, just ideas, but I think they would take the routine a step further to being "airtight."
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Your point is also taken. I can't hand out the rings for inspection. There is only one set of rings that I can do that and those are the 'Perfect Rings' from Magic Makers. Those are 12" rings though.

I personally don't see a need to pass them out. It slows down the routine. With Odin's Count which shows that none of the rings are linked, plus the crash link where the spectator is holding the rings I have never had anyone doubt that there weren't four distinct rings with no key in any of them.

The one problem that I have with the Ninja Rings is that with only one single you can't do the move that Ross did for his closer. I can't remember the name of the move right now. It's named after a fantastic ring master, a black magician that worked the streets of New York City. I think that today he is associated with a college but I'm getting old and my memory isn't what it used to be. I think his first name was Chris. It will come back to me later this evening.

CAPEHART! Chris Capehart! Oh thank goodness I finally remembered. The Capehart move. Fascinating, never fails to just blow the spec away. If I was asked which single move in my entire repertoire was the most powerful, recieved the most praise, the Capehart move would have to be in the top five
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I agree that an examination could change the pace of the routine. I guess I always envisioned it at the beginning of the trick, almost as a prelude. I'll keep my eyes and ears open for the capehart move. thanks.
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You'll recognize the Capehart move. There's nothing like it. The magician has three singles, well, two singles and the key. He links two onto one then the rings get completely tangled like a big knot. A spectator is asked to hold one ring and the magician pulls and the rings all melt through one another and become 3 seperate rings, the spec is left with a single in his hand and his mouth open.
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