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rogerj
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Hey everyone,
I posted something about the Jinx and Phoenix elsewhere but I could not get anything on them. Please if you could help, what kind of material are in these books?
Are they super beginner magic, great ideas, classics that everyone should have, ideas to develope new routines, etc.?
Thanks for your help,
RogerJ
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I say, if you have a deep interest in magic and are interested in where a lot of todays ideas started then get The Phoenix first. then The Jinx. You'll enjoy reading through them and lots of good ideas and close up magic.

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You will be impressed to know so much great ideas have been invented in those days. I read whole volumes of Jinx three times. I got new things every time.

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Thanks for your replies.
Basically, I not only have been trying to find new ideas for original effects, but it seems I'm always the last magician to get the latest at the meetings. Therefore I wanted to step back a few years in books to get "new" methods for something origianl.
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That's a great idea. Step back in time.

There are literally hundreds of ideas, effects, gaffs, etc in those books to keep you busy fooling your magic pals for years.

-=tabman
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Thanks Tabman, I appreciate your time.
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Not only Jinx and Phoenix, but Ibidem is a great place for older stuff as well as the Karl Fulves publications Chronicles and the old Kabbala's and Hierophant's.
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Quote:
On 2005-02-28 10:31, tabman wrote:
That's a great idea. Step back in time.

There are literally hundreds of ideas, effects, gaffs, etc in those books to keep you busy fooling your magic pals for years.

-=tabman


Tabby's got it! There are methods and effects that date back over one hundred years that are just sitting dormant...waiting to be rediscovered. I know...I use several of them in my act now.

Rick
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In the 4 volumes of "Apocalypse" you find more than 2000 effects. Not bad for a starter....

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Though Jinx and Phoenix are more convenient, and more pleasant to read, as hard bound volumes, the CDs which run about $20 each for the full run of each publication, are the magic bargain of the century, in my opinion.

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How so Landmark, could you give me a little information of why preferring one over the other?
THanks,
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Not sure whether you mean 1) the difference between the Jinx and the Phoenix, or 2) the difference between the hard bound format and the CD format. So I'll give you my quick opinions on both.

1) The Jinx is the earlier publication, started in the 1930s by Ted Annemann and continued into the early 1940s. While there was a strong emphasis on mental magic, which was Annemann's specialty, there was plenty of other close-up material from a wide range of contributors. The Phoenix literally and consciously picked up from where the Jinx left off. Walter Gibson and Bruce Elliott ran the Phoenix to the early 1950s. Less emphasis on mental magic than the Jinx, but a lot of great card, coin, rope, and other close-up magic, again from some great magicians--Scarne, Paul Curry, Richard Himber, Dr. Jaks, and many others.

If your interest is primarily mental magic, then the Jinx is a must--Annemann was very prolific and much of his material can and has been adapted to play for modern audiences. The Phoenix is great for all around close-up. Both publications are also terrific for getting a sense of the history of the magic scene of their respective eras. Gossip, feuds, it's all there.

2) As to format, there's no doubt that the hardcover bound issues are the most pleasant to read. They are in a large format, and it's easy on the eyes. The CDs are more difficult to read on a computer screen, and it's more than a bit of a pain to print out the pages. That said, if price is an issue, then you must consider this: the hardbound volumes cost about $20 each--and there are 3 volumes of the Jinx and 6 volumes of the Phoenix. So a full run of both publications cost about $180. You can get the same amount of material on CDs for about $20 for each publication. That's literally thousands of pages.

I have some of the hardbound volumes and both CDs. I find I read the hardbound volumes often for fun, leisure, and ideas, while I use the CDs mainly to look up specific references--oh that reminds me--another advantage of the CDs is that they are searchable by word. So for example if you were interested in the Bill in Lemon effect, you could do a search on the word lemon and see what's been published over the years.

So, I hope that provides a little more help. Anyway you decide, it will be hard to go wrong.


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Well, I spend many hours lost in the bound versions of The Phoenix that Lou Tannen put out with the maroon bindings. And I have a pretty good collection of loose Jinx issues as well as a bunch of the New Jinx too which is worth reading. Really worth owning and reading.

Who makes those cds available??? I'm so old school that I didn't even know about them. Sounds pretty handy. Can someone point me???

If anybody is looking for me I'll be in the back room.

BTW, great write up landmark!!!! Thanks Rick and rogerj.

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@ landmark

Where can I find these CDs of "Phoenix" and Jinx" for 20$?

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Well I did a little research and houndinismagic.com (or something like that) has one of the CD's also it just occurred to me I cant even find the hardcover books of the Jinx and Phoenix, can someone point thos out to me as well?
Thanks
P.S. Landmark you did indeed answer my question thanks for the response.
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I believe http://www.lybrary.com has these along with hundreds of other magic titles

Though I've never bought from that sight - Chris Wasshuber the owner is a pretty nice guy with a lot of pride in his company

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Here is one source for the CDs:


http://www.houdini.com/home.cfm?Featured=Yes

The hardbound volumes are now a little harder to find. When I was last in Tannen's they said they could special order them for me, but they didn't have them on hand. But a Google search should turn up some sources.

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You can´t find these CDs on http://www.lybrary.com

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Dave Egleston
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You're right -

I haven't been right in about 4 months now -

I was at work and didn't have time to check my recommendation

I've only got 2 books on CD-ROM and spent a lot of money getting them printed out, there is no such thing as a leisurely read when I have to stare at a monitor.

As Jack said in his post - http://www.houdini.com has them

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Here is another source for hardbound and cd editions of the Jinx and Phoenix. Good prices. Very good and very fun reading.

http://www.elmagicshop.com
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