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Nachtzehrer Veteran user Portugal 324 Posts |
Hi
I would like to train a parakeet or two to use in my dove act. Are the training techniques for doves the same or it there something special I should know about parakeets to train them. I've had them before, but not for the shows, just as pets. Any welp will be appreciated. Many thanks Alex.
Alex
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Alex,
I have tried to use them before. They are nothing like doves. Good Luck! Bob Magic By Sander |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Jack Kodell, one of the leaders of parakeet magic, had a audio tape out some years back. He said that parakeets are one of the hardest to train. It is a daily process.
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damien666 Special user canada 513 Posts |
Parakeets are very difficult to train for magic. They are small and don't like to be put into holders and harnesses and will more than likely wiggle themselves out.
I heard that Cardini had a parakeet that he would take on cruise ships with him. I don't know if it's true or not - but I heard that he used to ask all of the men in the audience to hold up their hands and that the bird would fly around and spot the most handsome guy on the ship and land on their hand. The bird would take off and fly back and land on Cardini. I would not recommend doing an act with budgies - they do not travel well and are quite suseptable to colds and other infections. |
Nachtzehrer Veteran user Portugal 324 Posts |
I just want to train two parakeets to do the OLEP.
How difficult could it be to train them for that? Alex P.S. - I rather use a parakeet that a canary. Personal taste.
Alex
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
I would set aside a decade!
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damien666 Special user canada 513 Posts |
To do OLEC (or OLEP), you just need to have the bird go into the devils hank (or other vanishing device). and you need the other bird to go into the cage. I attempted to make a routine out of this, but I deemed it unsafe and cruel for the bird. First of all the roller blind basically flings the bird out of hiding and can be very jarring. Another thing is, the parakeet was able to move around and actually found a way out of the load chamber into the under side of it (where the roller mechanism is) ... that was the last time I put my bird in that cage and decided that he was good just as a pet!
If you can find a safe cage, it really isn't training the parakeet, it is just making it sit there until you activate the roller. So to answer your question, it wouldn't be too hard to 'train' a budgie to be in the trick, because there isn't any real training involved to make the bird sit there... Good Luck |
Nick Wait Inner circle Lichfield, UK 1042 Posts |
You could try Shaun Faquar's dove in balloon. It is similar but can use a dove.
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Comet Loyal user 235 Posts |
Parakeets can be very interesting birds to use. First of all they can be LOUD. They do bite but they normally don't break the skin. If you can put up with their biteing without flinching they'll usually stop because it's not doing them any good to bite. You really have to work with them a LOT if you want them to enjoy the work and that's where you really want to be. A parakeet is a social bird so I'd suggest keeping them in seperate cages in different rooms (it's also good if they can't hear each other for a while) reason for this is you want them to bond with you so that you become thier flock. Strange I know but it works. Once again the David Womach videos on bird trick training and bird magic are a very good place to start.
enjoy! Joe Comet |
DJ Trix Inner circle 1197 Posts |
I am using parakeets in my act. I have one who is just a sweetheart. He crawls into his holders by himself, he doesn't bite, and he doesn't mind being held in my closed hands at all. Well the problem is I have a few on the other side of the spectrum. Totally bed tempered, wont stay still in the holders, bite like crazy, and wont let me hold them. My advice to you is that when you get them immediately take them and clip their wings. Then hold them in your hands for an hour or 2 talking to them and petting them. You must be very firm but gentle. What I mean by that is when you hold them you are gentel but at the same time you are holding him quite firm so he has no room to struggle, don't give him the room or he will try. If that bird knows you are in control and he isn't from the first minute, you got it. And if you let him bite you and move around in your hands you have lost him and most likely will spend months trying to get him to behave...
FIRM BUT GENTLE, DJ |
DaveWomach Elite user Dave Womach 453 Posts |
Parakeets are great birds to use in your act. I have been working with them for quite a few years now. I have had great birds, and I have had terrible birds. I have found that males work the best. The females tend to be much louder, and give away the hiding spots.
I've used parakeets for many many many effects. They can be trained to do so many things, and they seem to never forget it once they learn it. Sometimes they need a little refresher course, but can do really well. As far as traveling with them... I have only lost one in transit... and it was minus 30 in Canada, and I had no choice but to ship them. However, I just left from Idaho (in the snow) and landed in Saipan (about 95 degrees)... the birds were in transit for roughly 48 hours, and they did fine. I think the bottom line with traveling with them, is that they have to be healthy in the first place. The one I lost in Canada was very fragile anyway. My suggestion would be to do as much research online as possible. But make sure that your sources are knowledgable. Someone who buys an adult parakeet, that bites, and never gets let out if its cage... well, lets face it... they don't know what they're talking about. With about 5 minutes of searching you will find multiple parakeet (budgie) forums with loads of people that will be more than happy to help you. Good luck! Dave PS - I'd offer more advice, but fear getting banned for promoting my products. :o)
Dave Womach
Orlando, FL - USA http://www.MagicMasterSummit.com http://www.David-DaVinci.com http://www.BirdTricks.com http://www.ParakeetMagic.com |
Bryan Gilles Inner circle Northern California 1732 Posts |
Dave, It's great to see you back on the Café' since the move...
Don't worry about promoting your products... I'll do the dirty work... Buy Dave Womach's "Secrets of Bird Magic" videos!!! He really knows what he is talking about... I believe he is coming out with a parakeet video sometime within the year (as time allows him to do so...) Even if you don't use everything you see in his videos, it will get the gears turning and I'm sure you will walk away with a better knowledge of how to work with these little birds... Before I got rid of my parakeets, I used Daves handling for Parakeet from Kleenex and it is was one of the most talked about effects in my show. I am going to add his Vanishing Parakeet with my OLEP illusion... Seriously... purchase these!!! Another great source would be a little book called "Parakeet Magic"... Some of the contributors include: John Shirley, Brian Le Slie, Maurice, Blackman, Eric Lewis, Rupert Gilbert, Stuart Leith, Douglas Francis, and Joe Zering...There are a lot of great ideas in this book! Bryan Gilles |
Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
I had a good friend who was really into birds and training them, for cocatiels and paraketes he swore you had to start with them very young to just hand tame them, and training was dependent on how well they were hand tamed. That meant working with them a lot every day, and getting them very young, probably much younger than you would ever get them from a pet store, you would have to get them from a breeder. When I had doves I could get some that were older birds and still get them tamed and trained. I could also, once they were trained not have to work with them every day, could let a day go here and there. But my understanding is that with paraketes you still have to work them every day once they are trained.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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