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T. Joseph O'Malley
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On 2005-09-03 12:46, Mr. Z wrote:
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On 2005-09-03 03:26, Sonicstabber wrote:
Something that some of you may find Interesting, Sal Paciente's Expert Card Magic DVD's are mostly Forte material and concepts. Steve showed them to Sal, who used them without permission ( supposedly) and that really miffed Steve off, for releasing the material to the magic community.

Eddie


Yeah that's highly unlikely. Dunno who told you that one.


How do you know?
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On 2005-09-03 16:58, T. Joseph O'Malley wrote:
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On 2005-09-03 12:46, Mr. Z wrote:
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On 2005-09-03 03:26, Sonicstabber wrote:
Something that some of you may find Interesting, Sal Paciente's Expert Card Magic DVD's are mostly Forte material and concepts. Steve showed them to Sal, who used them without permission ( supposedly) and that really miffed Steve off, for releasing the material to the magic community.

Eddie


Yeah that's highly unlikely. Dunno who told you that one.


How do you know?




Well considering I know both men and they've been the best of friends for many years, I find it extremely unlikely. I'm interested to hear how this rumor came about.
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I meant: I can "not" see Steve having a problem with Sal.
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Mr Z, I meant no harm - I was honestly curious. That's all.
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No worries bud. Smile
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On 2005-09-03 09:48, Sonicstabber wrote:
Yeah, I agree the material is top quality. But Sal didn't get permission, regardless of if he gave credit. Same occurence kind of with the D'amico one hand second deal in Buckley's Card Control. Taught wrong, and not given credit to Carmen, until he asked for it. He didn't give permission for it to be used, so Buckley initially published it under a different context of author. With Paciente, he gave credit, but didn't get the initial permission for using the material, and gaining profit from it.

Eddie

How do you know Sal was never given permission?? Do you know them personally??
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No, I do not know the men personally, but it was shown to me in an article ( don't remember by whom) a while back. I took it to mind, and I am assuming it was true, if it was published. If it isn't true, then Sorry if I started a rumour. But it seemed viable ( Since it's Magic Makers)

Eddie

EDIT: Excuse the Magic Makers Comment. I just dislike their ethics on buisness and quality, and respect for the art. that's me personally.
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How do you know Sal was never given permission?? Do you know them personally??

The assertion that permission was not given was made, very emphatically, in Mike Close’s review of the DVDs. In fact, it takes up most of the review. (This is undoubtedly the article that Sonicstabber is referring to.) If the assertion is untrue, blame Mike Close for spreading a false rumor.
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I do indeed blame Mike Close. It's not the first time Mr. Close has made statements with no basis in fact. Steve and Sal are indeed very good friends and I know from Steve's statements to me that he had no problem with Sal putting his stuff on the DVD.

Sal is a top-notch guy, as well as a top-notch card man. Sal would be the first to tell you that he would not be where he is today without Steve's help. The rumor is just that...a rumor with no basis in fact.
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In this thread there is the mention of a dice hold out tool in Steve's GPS book. I have the dvd's but I didn't see the dice hold out tool.
Does anyone have a picture of DOC's hold out tool that made it into the book?
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Sorry Di tricks, I don't have what you're looking for but just wanted to thank you for bringing this thread to my attention, it's been interesting.
I had great fun reading this too:

http://web.archive.org/web/2010020612412......view.htm

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