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On 2005-03-11 12:15, someone wrote:
My large balls have five wraps, and from recent pictures I've seen (Thanks Thomas) some people can get away with six wraps.



At first when I saw the topic name I didn't want to bother, so I give it a shot and this is what I see! LOL I'm only kiddin'

To be honest, I've never even heard of this style ball. Mr. VanVranken, your lace-around-a-marble 'fists' look very well made! How long did they take you to make?
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BTW if you use round lace even if it's hollow you get a more rounded ball. If you us flay/square lace you get a squarish ball like the one in Dave VanVranken's picture, the link of which is in a post of his higher in the topic.

However, IMHO the squarish balls turn out looking much much neater than the round ones and I would think that they roll much less that the round balls.
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Mr. VanVranken, your lace-around-a-marble 'fists' look very well made! How long did they take you to make?


Mr? I didn't know my dad was here. I'm Dave. Thank you for the kind words though. The small "monkey fist" balls took me about 15-20 minutes each. The large ones were twice that as I actually tied a second knot over the first.

The "turks head" takes me well over half an hour for each, but it should get faster as I get better at it.
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Where can I buy the leather that has blue and black combined or red and black combined? All I have found is regular 1/8th inch lace of one color. I too taught myself how to tie the knot and like it. I will start on the turks head knot soon.
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Frank, the leather balls are monkey's fists. (I used to make them for sailing in my high school days, and if I say so myself, I was right good at my Marlinspike sea<wo>manship!)
The key is to make the first two directions, THEN insert the marble or weight.
Mine were many sizes, but for on the sailboat for throwing lines, I used to make them about the size of a softball with 1/2 inch line, and a small rock for the core!
Another source for some of the fancy knots is Bruce Grant's book on Leather Braiding.
For those making these things, after you finish, roll it around a bit so the cordage settles down and the shape "shapes up".
For different colored lace, check the local leather shop. They used to sell that suede stuff in a multi color, otherwise, you can <A>get white and try dying it, though as you tighten the knot the colors will shift some <B> use multiple strands, one for each direction. More to tuck and keep track of during the finishing operation.
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First of all, people like Monkey Fists because they like to say "Monkey Fist"!

Second, they are not that hard to do at all. Well the first couple are but in no time at all you can make some nice ones. Then you can make them EXACTLY the way you want.

Mr. Palmer, if you have problems with bouncing marbles I suggest bean bags, that's what we used to use in the Navy. They make for big knots but you can get or make bean bags in almost any size. Of course, getting someone else to do it is the easiest of all, I'm just talking to people that are so inclined.

The seceret to making a good Monkey Fist is to not get ahead of yourself when tightning up the knot. Start in the center and work your way out leaving just a bit of slack. Go back a time or two to get it tight. Don't try to do it all at once.

By the way if you think heaving a Monkey Fist looks cool you should see the lines they shoot out of an M-16!
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I played around last week making monkey paws out of those padded oval shoe laces. They came out pretty cool.
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Bill sounds to me that one could lose his "marbles" making these things.

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I like the lace Dave uses, anyone know a animal friendly alternative that looks like those?
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I heard Dave planning an improved version using balls stuffed with feathers.

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There is a vinyl lace sold for leatherworkers (who do not like the prices of real leather lace) and it can sometimes be found in the craft stores along with the other plastic laces (Dura Flex comes to mind) where the kids make the necklaces for camp whistles, and braided bracelets, etc. it has the cross section of the beveled lace, and is pretty tough stuff.
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Resurrecting this topic since I just got myself a set of cups (RNT Paul Fox in church bronze) and want to make up some balls for myself.

What are sources, online and available from large chains, for material to make the balls? I've gotten some practice using twisted cotton cord and am looking for something more colorful and probably braided. The twists sometimes bunch up making final tightening difficult.

I'll probably pick up some long shoe laces to try them out. I went to the local crafts shop and haven't been able to find anything of the right size. One shop had macrame cord but it was way too thick (6mm). I also tried some heavy fishing line, but it was too thin, it was hard to keep the wraps in place and flat, the results were disappointing.

Thanks a bunch.
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I think I am going to give a try to this:

http://www.knottool.com/gk_kit.html
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For those who are still interested in making monkey fists, I would recommend visiting http://stormdrane.blogspot.com/ and search for monkey fist. The owner, "Stormdrane" does incredible work with cord and paracord. There is a pretty good tutorial on monkey fists on the site.

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I asked a friend who is really into fiber crafts (sewing, knitting, crocheting, etc.) and she came up with a couple of local sources and also a mail order source. I bet there are lots of places out there, but this place looks good.

http://www.satincord.com/a_cord.html
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I got tired of my balls rolling about, so I monkeyfisted some cheap dice.
That sounded dirty.

The cord I'm using is some cheap red/blue edge-trim from a local sewing shop.
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I just made a couple (one is a chop ball) and they look great. I used leather round lace. The round lace costs more, but looks so much better than the flat suede leather. What help me tremendously was making a rig to tie the knot. This is where I got the idea for the rig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlI-4uELW......lts_main This rig let me do it in no time! Here is the ball: http://i693.photobucket.com/albums/vv292......1764.jpg
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I just finished my first Monkey Fist. I used 1/8" square suede lace from Michaels (25 yards for 8.99) wrapped around a 5/8" marble core (also from Michaels, 12 ounce bag of 57 marbles for $2.79). It was a little intimidating but once I saw what was going on, it became much easier. I used about 4 feet of lace for the ball and completed the project in about 15 minutes. The finished ball measures approximately .95" in diameter and for a first try, I'm pretty happy. Admittedly, it's not perfect but improvement will come with practice.

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Paracord is a great material to use to make monkey fist balls. You can find it in many colors and sizes. I get it at REI, but I imagine that there are many outdoor shops that carry it, and it can certainly be had online.
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