I saw an online video demonstartion for this ( http://penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=990 ). Am I wrong, or is this The Zarrow Shuffle with a different name?

To me it looks like a Zarrow without the covering. Which I think is a lot like the shuffle that is in Tarbell (Osterlind uses it on his thigh during his OBCS dvd).

Scott, thanks for the referneces to comapre.

J.

This is the Shank Shuffle.... which is a variant of the Sky Shuffle (I believe). Nothing new here...

S.Segal

Looks Shank Shuffle to me, maybe he should read some books before creding himself as creator.

While the mechanics of it are *NOT* original to him, take a look at his hand position and actual movements of the cards and hands.

While this should probably be titled something like "Hunter's shank shuffle", it doesn't look like he has completly ripped off the shank shuffle.

The hand positions and movements ect are actually pretty good at covering the downsides of the shank/sky shuffle, and AFAIK are original to Hunter.


Actually this isn't a shank or sky shuffle at all but the mechanics are actually I believe out of tarbell.... Gary Plants has the correct citation for this type of shuffle(zarrow without cover) in his booklet on the zarrow.

I stills ain't buying it.

Steve Reynolds has some work on the Zarrow that looks remarkably similiar to this as well.

Even if it is new, to a layperson, the zarrow is going to look EXACTLY the same. Why not just learn the Zarrow?

Exellent point. To me it just looks like a Zarrow Shuffle with a different postioning of the cards when being pushed together.

Its not a Zarrow... this particular shuffle is known as the "Shank Shuffle" (which pre-dates Zarrow according to this thread).

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......;forum=2

S.Segal

Another great product from Penguin Magic!

That's the exact way I feel about "his" shuffle (and I think that a Zarrow looks 10x better than a Shank shuffle anyway). His Total Control dvd gives me the same feeling, if you're going to bother making this gimmicked card (which I suspect is just a corner short) then why not use a breather crimp? I admit they made a good argument in the ad, a breather crimp may lose it's feel through weather or your hand conditions. But, this all depends on how long someone uses their deck of cards. Many magicians only use a deck of cards for 1 performance and they toss it. I only use a deck of cards for 1-2 weeks, my breather crimp has no trouble keeping up. Why would you go through the trouble of using a different method (or even a gimmick) than a breather crimp if it works fine as is? If you do most of your card work in a sauna then buy his total control dvd.

Martin Nashs's "Infinity" card isa diabolical method for accomplishing card control. You can even do it with a borrowed deck. Ingenious!!!!

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His Total Control would be great for someone just stating in card magic and is not comfortable with crimp work. For the pro, the same effects can be produced either a breather or infinity crimp.

Yep, it's best to be a crimp chimp!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess Zarrow shuffle is so such cleaner than this one. This "Hunter shuffle" requires you handto cover the front of the deck while the other hand push the the halves together. But Zarrow Shuffle doesn't require all that.

The Hunter Shuffle is no longer available at Penguin!

Just noticed that too Jason... Kudos to Penguin for dropping this ripoff.

S.Segal

This shuffle is actually the Oeink Shuffle. The real expert on this and the Zarrow is Gary Plants. Get his manuscript on the Zarrow which also teaches the Oeink.