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Arkadia Special user Sweden, Sundsvall 866 Posts |
Hello everyone!
Is there anybody out there who perform the Cups and Balls and use the Centrifugal move? The one where you lift a cup with a ball in it by quickly spinning the cup around so that the ball goes up the cup and you have enough time to put it ontop of another cup. I find the move funny to practise, but pretty useless because the flicking of you wrist gives the move away... Or what do you say? /Ark
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
I don't do that, but try this.
If you toss a loaded cup to the other hand, having it rotate 360 degrees on the way over, it is a neat little flourish that suggests that the cup is empty. Start with the loaded cup mouth-up in the right hand. Swing the bottom out a bit (away from your left hand) and toss with a spin. You catch it mouth up in the other hand, then in a continuous movement, rotate the mouth of the cup clockwise and set it down on the table mouth down. I think this move is used by Tamariz; the experts here will correct me if I'm wrong. Don't practice this with the engraved silver Sherwoods at first. Yours, Paul |
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Arkadia Special user Sweden, Sundsvall 866 Posts |
If I owned a pair I wouldn't dream about it. But thanks very much. Sounds like a cool handling. Will practise right away!
/Ark
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BSutter Special user Sitting on a pile of 582 Posts |
If you owned a pair you would not have a complete set.
But you would be on your way to a nice fruit salad. Bill |
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
I've done the centrifugal move. I don't use it often. I found that I can't make the movement natural. With practice you can approach naturalness with it though. I found that getting the ball moving before doing the move is the key. The way that I make it seem natural, or almost so, is to have an excuse to do the flick of the wrist. I will clink the cups together, that gets the ball moving the right way.
Then, as you raise the cup tilt it mouth up so you don't have to put it on top of the other cup so quickly. In other words, make it look like a flourish. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2005-03-23 08:52, drwilson wrote: That's what the copper ones are for.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
The best exponent/user of the 'centrifugal' move I've ever seen is Kurt Freitag from Austria..his whole routine is based on it and he does it incredibly well, as everything else he does..
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
I love this move, I was never able to get it well, UNTIL I got my silver Sherwoods. The move is extremely smooth and the cups do not get banged or scratched. I think the heavier balls help as well. I used to always use "monkey-fist" balls, but they don't roll smoothly.
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fccfp Special user NJ 563 Posts |
I think Ammar covers this in his "Complete Cups & Balls" although it has been a while since I have looked at it.
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stevenamills Veteran user 397 Posts |
Maybe it's because I've never seen it done well, but to me it's one of those moves that looks exactly like what it is and fools no intelligent spectator.
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
I think that the move is great, but it is unnatural and therefore I don't use it.
It looks like a "move." Yes, Ammar does cover it in his DVD, volume 2.
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juggler13 New user 97 Posts |
FYI centriFUGAL force doesn't exist.But centriPETAL force does exist
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BerkleyJL Veteran user Chicago, IL 397 Posts |
Actually, they both exist:
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A centrifugal force is a force on an object that tends to move it away from a center of rotation and always results from the inertia of the object. Inertia is the property of an object proportional to mass that opposes acceleration. A centripetal force is a force on an object that tends to move it toward a center of rotation and can be a result of gravitation, electricity, or any other naturally occurring force. You may check my research here.
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John Pendleton New user 71 Posts |
Like most of the above, I think it's fun but not really convincing.
Have I seen this, or am I dreaming it... Performer shakes the cup, as you might to draw attention to it. If holding the cup with the right hand, then it's moved quick-ish to the right and begins to tilt (top to the performers right). It seems to stay tilted for ages (which is what makes it convincing). The left inside rim of the cup get the ball rolling and it rolls up the right side as it's tilted. The rest of the turn over is quite casual looking - the cup does not scoop the ball but continues to roll over (after the short pause), finishing mouth up. I know I'm most likely teaching granny to suck eggs, but a pinky hold inside, to secret roll out -> finger palm -> spin by the rim -> spin back sequence, will lift a loaded cup as though empty (in fact shown it empty). With casual off-hand patter, like a digression, this does not look as suspect as it sounds (depends on acting ability). Sorry if I've gone off-topic. "The best exponent/user of the 'centrifugal' move I've ever seen is Kurt Freitag from Austria." Werner could you give me a reference to this please, it sounds like a must-see ? There was / is a Magic Castle host with the same name - is it the same guy ? |
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Arkadia Special user Sweden, Sundsvall 866 Posts |
Drwilson: I found out that you can do the move you described on the other way around aswell. If you have, say three cups stacked - mouth down - with a ball nested between the upper most and the second cup. By lifting the upper cup in the stack with your index finger and then toss it to the other waiting hand - rotating 360 in the air - you have the same effect. It it a bit of a nack to be able to hold the ball inside when you catch it, but it is possible. This way you can introduce three cups with a nice florish - and be two balls ahead.
rickbrooks: I am practising that right now. See if the move looks less suspicious. /Ark
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
I've found that I over-tried it at first. I jerked the cup as if I was afraid that the ball would roll out on the table and all the spectators would, as one, point at me and laugh precisely as they would if I were standing there in my underwear.
(sigh) However, during practice I was distracted one day at that precise moment that I was to make the snap and I didn't snap. I looked down and the ball was in the cup anyway. I started trying to see how little force I could use and how small I could make the movements. In other words, practice slowing down and being less forcefull with the 'pickup' |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Kurt Freitag that does the cups is not the same bloke at the Castle...just the names be the same.
One of the KEY, if not the most IMPORTANT things with cups and balls is the ability to handle and toss the cups about with ABANDON... you must be so used to handling them that you can change the pace, vary the handling, toss one from hand to hand, etc. etc. WITHOUT CARE OR SEEMING TO THINK ABOUT IT. Here's an original move of mine you might want to try. I call it the "Karate acquitment". Ball under cup on table. Right hand, held flat, open, horizontally, swings to cup, striking it near the top. This causes the cup to turn over, away from you. As it rotates and becomes almost mouth up, the right thumb kicks the ball into the cup. The cup continues to rotate and your grab it by the upper edge with thumb and fingertips. Lift cup (centrifugal force keeps ball in) -- and THIS IS IMPORTANT -- the left hand, back of fingers downward -- brush away an imaginary speck of dust from the table where the cup started. Give the left hand a couple of flick moves. The timing is critical. stay tooned...
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Arkadia Special user Sweden, Sundsvall 866 Posts |
That, Mr Biro, seems imposible. Must depend a bit on the surface. I work on a pretty hard cloth. But perhaps it will work. What do you meen when you write "the right thumb"? Do I do this with the same hand which just whacked the cup? I suppose I have to hit the cup not stright from above but a bit from the side to make it tilt in the air. I guess I have to strike it in a vertical motion (with my right hand) from my body and out. Right? Catching it with the same hand and dusting of the table with my left.
I'll do my very best - and as a juggler I will probably not sleep for the entire night. /Ark
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
All you are really doing it tipping the cup over and it rolls over and you grip it. The thumb is automaticlly in the correct position.
A matt with some non sliding properties helps. Never tried it on a bar surface. I preceed it with the Malini vanish (ball on table between two cups - you grip both cups and slam them together and move apart... ball is gone -- really under right cup --- I do the Karate move with right cup, then toss cup into left hand and repeat Karate move with other cup.
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John Pendleton New user 71 Posts |
Hi Pete. This all gives me serious food for thought. It's exciting this learning business. Changing the pace of the routine to the extremes you mension add a whole extra dimension I've not considered before... would certainly be a vibrant routeine...
I assume the thumb pushes the ball into the cup before the cup's mouth leaves the table ? So the ball sits in the cup that finishes mouth up ? Also, I'm sorry if I'm being dim-whitted, but what part (specifically) does the left hand play ? Is it emphasising that there is nothing where the cup previously stood, or more ? |
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