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bloodyjack
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Head set mics look stupid and dated go with the lapel, unless you want to look like a throw back from the 80,s
Also buy a good one the cheapos are rubbish
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Well, although the CountryMan microphone looks awesome, I don't have hundreds of dollars to fork over for a microphone. I think, from what you guys have said, that I will go with a headworn microphone, since I will be moving around a lot on stage. I do need a cheaper mic. Also, are there any cheap mics that just fit on the ear, and not around the head? Thanks you guys!

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Hello,

My solution to the problem was this. I bought a UHF Diversity receiver and beltpack transmitter with lavalier mic. The lavalier plugs into the beltpack transmitter and can be unplugged with a 'mini' xlr connection. I also bought a headset with the same plug for the transmitter.

In most situations, I can use the lavalier, which I prefer. However, if I find myself in a situation where I can't get the speakers far enough apart or far enough in front of the performance area to use the lavalier without feedback, I just switch to the headset and do the show with the headset on instead. And the audience never knows the difference.

So, to answer Bond's original question, get both! That way you will be prepared either way.

Sincerely,
David
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I used a lavalier microphone for more than 16 years, but switched to a headset about 7 years ago. Here are my thoughts. I would prefer to use a lavalier if I could them to sound as good as a headset because I like the fact that they aren't very noticeable. (Also, I felt funny wearing a mic like today's pop stars when I'm a middle-aged magician!) Unfortunately, the truth is that a wireless lavalier mic is far more prone to feedback than a headset.

When I was setting up my own sound system, I could work around that. The problem is I work a number of events where there are professional sound people running their own system. Most of these guys (and I know I'm generalizing - please forgive me) work with bands and not magicians/speakers. They aren't used to lavalier mics. These guys drove me crazy by constantly trying to tweak the sound of my lavalier mic during my performance. There would be a slight squeal and than the sound would go flat. They were trying to get the sound as clean as the handheld mics the singers were using. That's not very likely!

The thing that made me jump to a headset full-time was when I booked a series of 18 library shows. I realized I wouldn't have enough time to set up an equalizer at each show (which I generally did for the lavalier) and I might not be able to put my speaker out far enough in front of me to avoid feedback in those circumstances. A wireless headset was the answer.

Getting a good sound out of the headset was a breeze compared to the lavalier so it didn't take much time. I then started using it whenever I was working the events with the sound guys I described above. That worked much better! Before I knew it, I wasn't ever using the lavalier mic.

I still have the lav. for the times that others want to use it, but at it's best, it never sounds as good as the headset mics.

Finally, I agree with those recommending the Sennheiser mics. I use one that I bought from http://www.northernsound.net/Sales/Wirel......ame.html and they had the best prices I found. Their service is terrific too. They also sell the Country Man line. (Click on the microphone links at the categories rather than the wireless systems.)
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Headset mics do come in many sizes and flavors as well. There are even some that have no beltpack, it's all contained on the headset. The mics don't need to be some oversized mic with a windscreen like you see Madonna or other music performers. They do make small, nearly unnoticable mics. They are not cheap, but for the professional that wants the quality and reliabitiy, they do exist.

Personally, I have top end gear when it comes to sound and I make no compromises. I feel it's important to have a sound that is clean, clear, and not a distraction to the presentation. I base that on personal experiences of performances I have seen. I have seen really good acts but they lacked quality when it came to the sound. Feedback and tinny reproductions can disctract an audience and ruin an otherwise great show. I do not want to repeat mistakes I have personally seen others make. I am not saying all performers should wear headsets, to each their own. I saw Copperfield last fall and he used a lavalier microphone. It worked for him!
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Quote:
On 2005-03-30 14:22, johncesta wrote:
Quote:
$100 feedback destroyer, then it will eliminate ALL feedback on a lapel mic


Hey Andy, what do you think about these? Worth it? I have a handheld wireless I hang on my neck and to get it fairly loud I turn it up. Sometimes there is a little feedback.

Thanks,

John Cesta


Short version, maybe, but they're really best used in addition to a properly set system equalizer, rather than as the primary tool to cut out feedback. If you do a search here, we had a pretty detailed discussion on this at some point in the past, if I'm not totally mistaken.

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I know this has been brought up before. But I use the countryman E-6 with much success. It does not lok stupid to me and it sounds great! I know when people are looking to buy sound the first time we all tend to go cheap. Do yourself a favor and don't do that. You will only pay for it later by buying something that will work better for you. And the long run you end up spending more money than if you would have bought the nicer stuff the first time.

Again I have TWO E-6 mics and extra cords. Saw Lance Burton this past week in Vegas an noticed he too is still using the Countryman E-6. It has been very dependable for me.

Ken
PS the price has come down a lot on these mics in the last year.
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Yes, in fact you can find the Countryman E6 in the low $300's. An extra $180 for a low profile mic with ggod sound is worth it.
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Thanks a lot guys!!!!! Sounds like the CountryMan E-6 is the way to go! Again, thanks for the help!!!

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I will be getting a mike from Jojo a Café mamber pretty soon. Is flesh colored made by mipro, very affordable and for what I hear from a couple of users it does a great job.
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James, this is the man you should talk with about wireless mics: dan@magicroadie.com. Dan is a Café member and his day job is as a wireless specialist.
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Thanks!

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On 2005-03-30 00:29, Tim Hannig wrote:
I love my Countryman E6 Omnidirectional Microphone, available at
http://www.countryman.com

Here's the same microphone at Full Compass
http://www.fullcompass.com./Products/pag......dex.html

(I'd buy the 2mm cable, as it's more durable.)





The countryman is omnidirectional. How is it with regard to feedback?

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Andy & Dan,
I'd like to hear yur thoughts on this system that Cody Fisher had asked about.
SoundTech AL12R Portable PA System with CD Player for $629.
I'm looking for something that on the top end can be used for Street Magic plus be able to hold my own like in a Holiday Inn or Sheraton room with another DJ in the next room that doesn't know the meaning of turn it down some.
150 watts is huge compared to what I'm using now.
Thanks
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Bill,
I've never used, or to the best of my knowledge, even heard, a SoundTech system.

In my professional life as a audio & wireless specialist, what I use is very different from what is discussed here at The Café, and that's why the opinions & advice I offer here are directed at how to make ANY audio or wireless system, regardless of the system's quality, perform better.

I imagine you & Cody will get some feedback in the other thread.
Good luck, Bill!
Dan.
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My new system(that I mentioned on another thread)The Pyle Pro PWMA-120 came with 3 wireless mics(headset,tie-clip and handheld).All 3 work fine for my needs.However,I really like the headset mic.I don't wear it on my head however.I wear it around my neck and adjust the flexible wire so the mic is just below and out from my mouth.If worn under the collar of your shirt the set up is quite inconspicuous,all that is visible is a short wire with a small black ball on the end(and my 'beautiful' hair doesn't get mussed Smile ) Best.

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I used to use a wireless lav mic but there were sometimes feedback issues. I now use a Countryman wireless headset mic and would highly recommend it! Well worth the cost IMHO.
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Frank,

There is more potential for feedback with the Omni type mic, but the risk is not high sinse the source to mic distance is so close.

The reason why so many people like the Omni versions better is just the pure physical size is larger for an Uni mic. The I do not looking like "Madonna or Garth Brooks" has driven the market to a major extent.

Some of the new Uni types are not as big as the black ball mics that you have seen.

Typically it has always been stated that the Uni type mic is better when it comes to feed-back issues.

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The "uni" or cardioid mic nowadays can be just as small as the omni. Of course they are not cheap. The DPA 4088 is the cardioid and is an incredible mic, yet is virutally the same size as their 4066 omni. The 4066 works amazing even around thrust stages, in front of the speaker stack, or out in the house. Also, the omni when touched by body part or other item does not produce the thud of boom sound. that's because the mic drops of at around 100 Hz. The cardioid however will make some noise.

DPA mics are used by CNN, Nascar, CBS, Superbowl, Fox Sports...and many more.


Hope that helps.

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Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie
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When it comes to a lav or a tiny headset, I think there's only one reason to select a uni: That being "off-axis rejection", or the ability for it to mostly hear only what's right in front of it. That's a very good reason to select a uni, if your circumstances allow the off-axis rejection to work in your favour.

There are a few reasons to select an omni:
• Omni's have no "proximity affect", so changing the distance between the voice and the mic has virtually no affect on the tonal quality of the voice. This makes mic placement much less critical.
• Omni's have no "off-axis colouration", so they can be pointed a little (or a lot) in the wrong direction with no affect on the tonal quality of the voice. This makes mic placement much less critical.
• The combination of the first two factors means that exact placement & orientation of the mic is of no importance, so as long as you put the mic kinda close to the same distance from your mouth every night, with little regard for direction, your voice will sound almost identical every night.

A uni lav, or uni tiny headset, will only be better for feedback rejection if the interaction between the dispersion pattern of the PA speakers and the pick-up pattern of the mic will never overlap by any significant amount. If there is any possibility that the polar patterns of the speakers & mic will overlap by any significant amount, you may very well be better off with an omni.

If you use side-stage speakers and a uni tiny headset, you can be almost certain that there will be many times during your performance that a speaker will be directly within the pick-up patter of the mic, since the mic points diagonally across the face. The system is more prone to feedback whenever this orientaion occurs. If the PA isn't turned up too loud, then you may not experience the feedback.

Same goes for a uni lav with overhead speakers. The speakers will almost always be directly within the mic's pick-up pattern.

When using a mic that's a few inches from the mouth, and when that mic may face the PA at some time(s), mic selection can be a bit tricky. You may need to comprmise speaker placement, PA loudness, and/or your mobility on/off stage.

The fact is that uni's not better for feedback rejection. A uni may be better, or an omni may be better, depending upon all of the above.

My judgement is that an onmi is a better default choice when it comes to a lav or tiny headset, but that is merely my judgement, and is subject to context & application.

Cheers from Toronto!
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