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Eric Leclerc
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How much does just a head go for?
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Eric,

Just on the topic of storage, Steve Axtell mentioned (on another forum) that you can store your puppets the same way you would store an assistant, that being tehy can sit on a chair in your house if you choose to and that's fine.

Axtell sell little inserts for the puppets, they slip over your hand and they will protect the latex. I'm not quite sure how much they go for but I think they're reasonably cheap.

Cheers

I also meant to add some thoughts about Louies name.

If you are going to ask Louie to introduce himself, then it would probably be better to steer away from a 'labial laden' name.

However, you could introduce him to the audience yourself, that way there's no need to say his name ventriloquially. Another idea is to ask him his name, but he can't remember, or he delibrately gives you some ridiculous (labial free) correct by saying," Come on now, you're name is....." or something like that.
Eric Leclerc
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Do you find yourself making different scripts for different events you are booked at? I got a magic show at a ladies night at an exclusive golf club and I want to try a little vent work for my first time. Jokes about golf and men would work really well so I try and incorporate words I can say and go around that, I cant really freestyle with the puppet yet and do casual conversation... do you guys do that a lot by the way?
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Hi Eric,

I work a lot with latex puppets in our local puppettheatre. They last a lot longer than 5 years but except for the performances they are all the time in the dark. Maybe that is the reason why they last longer, latex hates sunlight. You should become a member of "Worldvents" a yahoo group of vent addicts.

Have fun,

Jacques
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Back to your original question...

While you should always strive for lip control, I have heard people say to a friend "I saw his lips move" to have the friend answer "Well what do you expect, the puppet to actually talk to him".

Funny to me anyway.

Little kids are most likely to say it out loud,even if they didn't see it, much like "I know how you did that" to a magic trick.
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To be honest, my lips do move when I perform, but people tell me they were watching and didn't see me move my lips. One thing I do when I need to say a difficult word is I have the figure make a dramatic gesture, like snapping his head to look at me. At the same time I turn my head to look at him. The big movement covers the small.
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Eric, I have a Louie puppet and one of the funniest parts is when his baseball cap accidentally falls off when he moves abruptly to show that he is bald. Then you can proceed with bald jokes or talk about someone in the audience who is bald and looks like him.
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I use a a brown "jersey" glove in my latex peppets and it stops the smell, and protects the puppet.I am about half-way alergic to latex so it is a must for me---keep them in the dark---Axtell says to use "Armour All" every six months---but I don't always-- The TRUTH is--you should try your best NOT to move your lips---we all do to some extent--BUT-- that is pretty much the definiton of the art--talking without moving your lips--you know---kinda like "Can I do this magic trick--even though I am flashing all the moves"? well----you CAN---but do you want to?----------cheers!---Jimeuax
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Hiya all, Belinda here aka Bd,
I am a girl!!!,I am a stage mamgician, children's entertainer and also do balloon modelling.
Just noticed the topic, I personally do not do vent. I guess I feel someone will say 'her hand is up his bum' or something, but then very young children would not know unless someone has told them!.Though it would be nice to do vent.
I do have puppet's but I don't put my hand up it, I have a rabbit in a hat, and I place my scafs in it, rarely put in my routine about the rabbit saying something, if the rabbit later on magically has a spectator's card or something..
I have a Leon the lion puppet but have not really used him much also I bought a bugs bunny toy, it isn't a puppet as such but it's aimed more at children.
WITH VENT. U HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON CERTAIN WORDS AND LETTERS,AS IT IS DIFFICULT TO PRONOUCE WITH GOOD DICTION WORDS AT THE SAME TIME, PLUS B'S AND P'S ARE 2 OF SOME OF THE LETTER'S HARD TO SAY AND NEED GOOD PRACTICE IN ORDER TO STOP YOUR LIPS REALLY MOVING WHEN SAYING THEM/WORDS!!
I belong to a magic club, and regulary receive magazines. Seeing the topic made me think about the articles they had in it about Vent. There is a article by David Blyth.
In his article it shows pictures of vents and their puppets (v) is the vent, (p) is the puppet; Bergen(v) and Mortimer(p), Bergen(v) and McCarthy(p),Peter Brough(v) and Archie Andrews(p),Edgare(v) and Charlie(p) and Paul Zerdin(v) with some of his puppet's.
Towards the end of the article Blyth reveals how lots of people ask him how to become a vent and when did it first start?. Then he explains and also describes in detail how to master the breathing in order to achieve the best vent voice.
Overall it is a very interesting article.
If you would like a copy, feel free ot ask ,and we're fix up a way, I'll have to scan it to the comp and send it as a email.

Best wishes,
Regards,
Belinda - keeping magic secret and alive
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Eric Leclerc
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GREAT advice in this thread!! Thanks so much...

Well I did it, I booked my first vent gig after a month and a half of practising.. Was that stupid of me? No, I don't think so, I have a lot of experience on stage and I am sure I can handle it with a nice funny script and routine.

Oliver, I think you said it well when you said a big action covers a small one. I think I can use my magic skills in my vent work because magic is ALL about misdirection. When I have problems saying a crucial phrase, I find mysely "fixing" my own hair. And even though I am not covering my mouth at all, the lip movement alost dissepears with that action, I love it.. Cant seem to find clothes that I like for him though, the people at the salvation army near my house think I am crazy buying childrens clothes every weekend then returnung them the same day..hahahaha Thanks again
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It sounds like you're doing great, Eric.
Good luck with the show.
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When is your performance Eric? Glad my adivice has been of interest and help to you, and others?

Hey guys, I have just seen two posts that may be of interest to you vents. Its still under Carnival, but the posts in that topic that I thought you could help the guys out on are; Learning Vent. and Ventriliquists this is for you.

Ventriliquists listen up and Learning Ventriliquism.
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My show is in 2 weeks and is in front of a crowd full of women at a posh golf club. I would like to thank everyone for their REAL advice and ideas you shared with me in this forum. I appreciate it greatly, cheers!
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Aww WOMEN hey, your be a ladies man for the day then.I heard somewhere that GOLF stood for Golf Only Ladies Forbidden, thisi s like one of many sexist/humerous jokes!. Good luck with it.
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Greetings!

For those of you who don't do ventriloquism, you might know about our AxTrax routines on CD. You can perform with them and the voice of the puppet, music and sound effects are on the recording. We just revamped the concept to be "Wide-Open" with 5 different voice options per CD so now you have a lot more routines to choose from. Enjoy! http://www.axtell.com/axtrax.html

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Puppeteers are different than ventriloquists......guess what makes them different .........
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As someone who isn't a ventriloquist, I hope I can provide an outside perspective.

Although of course we know the puppets don't talk (or do they...), I think the puppet does have a personality of its own, and by seeing the ventriloquist's lips moving ruins the perceived persona of the puppet, and it feels like there is a conversation going on with your right-hand (or left, you get the idea)

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Eric,
If you are going to do the show in front of kids you better believe they will tell you if they see your lips move or "You are talking."
Get a course on Venting, you will be suprised just how quickly you will learn. I put in hours everyday and it pays off. You get what you put into it.
I've never had anyone say that they saw my lips move but I did have kids come up and ask me how the bird was talking. Now that is the reaction you want. Here is a site that you should find everything you need. http://www.venthaven.com
Axtell's is a great place also,besides figures he has objects you can use. He has a great drawing board that talks & moves his eyes. I added that in my show last year when I bought it from him at the Vent Haven Convention, the kids go wild over it. Practice..practice..practice!
Best of luck.
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I would say the best compliment I ever got was after a show at a local mall, a lady wanted to know where the tape recorder was. I guess my lip control was alright.
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Don't forget that Edgar Bergren was a vaudevillian first. It has been said that he "lost" his control after going into radio.

His character development should be required study for vents.
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