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Nemic386
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Since I'm new at this how long should I practice a basic sleight/ card control move-I practice and when I think I got it it ends up flopping like poop outta a horse when someone watches me! Any suggestions?
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When you can do the "move" without thinking about it, then will you have reached enlightenment and harmony Grasshopper!

Cheers! Smile
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Ah! Sifu (teacher) Stanyon is testing you, young Grasshopper! I am sure he meant for you to understand the following...

When you can do the move AND the presentation without thinking about it, THEN you have achieved enlightenment and harmony, Grasshopper!

;)

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AM NOT!!! Smile



Cheers! Smile
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I practice many times over until the patter, presentation, and sleights are very natural. Then I will present them to two family members who have the 'job' of trying to catch how I do the effect. If neither of them can figure out what I have done, then I consider myself ready to try it on some friends, which I will do multiple times before I show it to others.
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Experience has taught me that I have always stopped practicing too soon. (I'm in my fifth decade!)

But Stanyon is much, much older! (He invented the stick before the wand!)

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Yeah but how do I know I'm at the point to show it to family members? I mean they all have this annoying mentality of "oh here comes another trick". It gets very discouraging it's like they are there to just humour me; it sucks big time. I've been using a video camera and recording myself practicing but I can seem to advance in it any. I dunno I guess I'm just discouraged.
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Is it possible for you to join up with any magicians in your area? A local IBM ring, perhaps? They could provide the critical eye you may be searching for, if you do not have any willing family members.

Just a thought.
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Quote:
On 2005-04-04 01:10, Bob Sanders wrote:

But Stanyon is much, much older! (He invented the stick before the wand!)

Bob
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After todays round of Golf I feel older than dirt!

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I was recently advised;
10 minutes Shuffles and double undercut,
10 minutes Double Lift,
10 minutes Top Change,
Twice a day - for say 6 months. At which time I should see some improvement.
On Sundays you can practice palms, returns and card folds.
He didn't say anything about coins... or balls... or cups...or rope.

All the best,
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Hey that's great- the rest is irrelevant to me because I am only doing cards right now
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The problem with sleights is you tend to feel you've mastered them long before you have, and they tend to get boring around about then. It takes a lot of discipline to practice a sleight you feel you know even if you know you don't (if you know what I mean).

I do a particular count pretty well, and I could practice it for an hour and not mess up once, but I still manage to mess it up about 1 in 5 of the times I try it for people. Luckily only magicians and family so far so I can afford mess ups.

It's frustrating, but I expect the problem is more to do with the difference of practicing a move over and over and doing it once when the heat is on. It may even be psychological.

Just keep doing it, try practicing it really really slowly gradually building up the speed. If you are doing it even slightly wrong and you keep doing it over and over you'll end up programming the wrong way into your hands.

Don't get discouraged. If necessary leave a sleight that's annoying you and do something else then come back a few weeks later. It's hard to explain but I've had things work weeks after I gave up on them with very little effort. Who knows how these things work.

-MM
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One should be able to look at the person you are doing magic to in the eyes and keep talking. I also beleive the rhythm of our speak plays a big role in a trick if you start tttoo dddddrrrrraggggg yyyyooouuurrrr words out to by time. The crowd will start to look around and maybe see what is happening to the cards when you don't want them to see it.
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Nemic386,
The guys answering here know their stuff.
Have a look at the Jamy Ian Swiss website. There are some interesting essays there.

http://www.jamyianswiss.com/fm/index.php
{look for Learning then Lessons and Learning}

If you want to spend money, his Booklet "Thoughts III" has his sleight study system in it which makes the point about looking natural and analysing the sleights you do. Why have 16 different double-lifts you can perform, but not a palm.
The system gives recommendations for particular books to study for each sleight. Getting hold of the books he recommends is another matter!

You don't need a huge array of sleights to create great magic. But the ones you do should be brilliant (mine are not) and blend with the presentation - to rock their world (I believe that is the modern vernacular)

All the best,
Norn
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Thanks guys, it's about time I get a bite on this post. I'll look into the site and stuff and hey Norn, I'm pretty sure the whole rock your world thing went out with The Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff Smile
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The Fresh Who & Jazzy Whom???
Are they members of a Pensacola Swing Combo? Smile

I made a mistake the Jamy Ian Swiss booklet I meant was "Theories III" not "Thoughts III".

All the best,
Norn
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Fresh Prince aka Will Smith or vice versa- anyhow it's a rap duo that flashed in the pan in the early 90's.
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I practice for 4 - 5 hours a day.
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The best advice I have ever received on this topic was from Eugene Burger. He advises that 10 minutes a day of consistance practice is better than 4 hours once a week.

I have to admit that I would love to have the space in my calendar to practice 4 - 5 hours a day.

Also, lets remember that along with practice, there needs to be time for rehearsal with all of the props - running the show as if it was real...

All the best ~ Fredrick
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I think it depends on the sleight. Something like the pass is quite a comple series of movements and then you have to work at various bits so it appears there is no movements!

I don't think it's so bad to do parts of the move "wrong" to begin with. You may have to do it like that just to get the thing off the ground with a difficult sleight. Once the main actions are programmed, you can work on a particular aspect such as minimising thumb movement. I liken it to the golf swing. Get the thing fluid and basically right to start with and then chip away improving little bits of it till it is as perfect as you can make it.
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