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Scott Ocheltree Veteran user 364 Posts |
I really can't imagine living "well" on $27,000 a year. I make over twice that much at my day job. Plus I receive health/dental benefits, a 401k plan, vacation/holiday pay, etc.
To get close, I'd have to book 200 shows at $250/show every year. That's nearly 4 a week. To do that I'd have to travel a lot, or live in a densely populated urban area. Of course I could book many fewer shows at much higher rates, but again, you have to deduct all your business expenses out of that income before you get to your net earnings. I live in a beautiful rural area. There is not the market here to support that kind of high paying shows at that volume. I have nothing but respect for those of you who are doing it. It's an amazing amount of work! |
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Steven Steele Chief of Staff 1868 Posts |
Scott,
You've restricted your thinking to the size of a postage stamp. I left a job 5 years ago which payed $90,000 a year, full retirement and 60 (paying me 67% of my salary tax free), full medical, dental, and vision, 4 weeks of vacation a year and another 15 days of administrative leave, plus a car and 13 holidays. I've never looked back...well only to listen to my dad keep asking me, "when are you going give up all this foolishness and go back to work?" I don't even pay attention to him anymore. I get too many of the following comments, "Boy, I wish I had a job where I had as much fun as you do!" That makes it all worth while. Three suggestions Scott. 1)Get Jim Snack's "Secret to Success" - read it and implement it. 2)Get CJ Hayden's "Get Clients Now!" - read it and implement it. 3)Get Alan Weis's "Money Talks" - read it and implement it. If you really want to be successful as a magician/you have to work at it and think larger than you are presently doing. It is a lot of work...but the payoff goes way beyond the money (which is still good).
Coram Deo
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
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On 2005-05-12 23:51, Scott Ocheltree wrote: You an interesting point there scott. I find that western society tends to encourage people to make more money without focusing on what they want to spend that money on. I now earn more the enough money to make me very comfortable and happy and yet I still have that nagging feeling that I should earn MORE! Its a bit like drug addiction isn't it? The more we get the more we want. How much is enough? What is living 'well'? |
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ufo Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 1185 Posts |
Great thread!
Could it be that in the final analysis it is our imaginations and passion that are the real limitations we face in creating wealth or living well? I have come more and more to believe that. Me, I want an imagination raise that is well above the minimum brainwave. You are all great! -Ed "The re-souling of magic should be the goal of the twenty first century magician" -S.H. Sharpe
"What's your drug?" she asked. "Hope" he said, "The most addicting one of all."
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Paddy Inner circle Milford OH 1571 Posts |
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On 2005-05-12 23:51, Scott Ocheltree wrote: Scott, your sig line is "Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)" This seems like a contradiction in your post. As two others have stated before, educate yourself in marketing and implement the marketing tools and you can live very well performing magic. Daryl lives in a very small rural CA town and look what he has done. I started doing this at age 54, walked out on the corporate world and left my insurance, retirement, and all the other "bennies" there. I am making a good living and enjoying life. It can be done, just take the first steps toward your goal. Peter |
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Jeremy L. Special user 800 Posts |
Although I'm not a pro I think I can explain.
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On 2005-04-08 11:46, stannmaple wrote: Because if your good, the money is good. Not only that but I would think that magicians chose to be magicians and like performing magic so their getting paid to do something they like to do. What could be better than that? |
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dominik Regular user Germany 143 Posts |
Nothing could be better than that.
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cajmagic Loyal user Long Beach, California 235 Posts |
You ignore lecturing in many cases on income
I see that many may make $27-30k but sales of tricks and others may give an added $5k a year pretty easy (if you can get a name) I don't know if I am a professional magician as I sell "product" - But I do tell everyone I am and when they ask - I do say I am a prof.
Caj Brejtfus
CajMagic and the CAJ Deck of Magic Gaff Cards :BIKES: |
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Michael Peterson Inner circle is where I'm trapped, because of my 4071 Posts |
Great thread, thought it was worth bumpimg up.
Mike |
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Loyal R Elite user Canada 417 Posts |
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On 2005-04-08 16:12, Salazar Magic wrote: Oh yes! This is absolutley the best job in the world!
Dare to Dream...
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
I can't afford the pay-cut to become a fortune 100 Executive... hehehehe!
Whoo... gotta love this lifestyle!
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Salah AAZEDINE Regular user Morocco 177 Posts |
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"I guess I could get a real job but I make more money doing something that I love." this answer is the best |
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impossible man Elite user 403 Posts |
I actually can't have a real job until my kids are in school full time and I can afford just a little after-school care. As soon as I quit my programming to stay home the magic business took off.
Then a client got me an interview at a private college where I teach part time. That increased just as the recession backed off the magic some. Now I'm almost ready to go back to programming full time (I've been earning new certifications) and I'm already getting calls on old resumes. In the meantime I have really enjoyed teaching because I can express myself in ways I can't do during a regular show. I also believe I am not cut out for a lot of the travelling and equipment hauling many of you do. I love the people, the effects, the skills, and the money, but I seem to tire easily (plus I'm always sleep deprived). All this to say that right now forget the real job! Magic, directly and indirectly enabled me to be at home and take care of my young children for five years! |
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ibm_usa Special user In Your Mind, Ky, USA 722 Posts |
I haven't had that question come to me just yet but I know it maybe asked some day. Here is the way I would respond to it.
" Look here, being a full time entertainer is one of the most amazing occupations out there. There is nothing more thrilling then putting a smile on someones face. I get to meet very interesting people. I get to travel to very interesting places. Im very well respected by my hometown and by those across the nation that have met me or watched me perform. There have been rough times here and there but they don't last long. Not only am I an entertainer I am a business owner. I manage, promote and run my show every day even when Im not performing. There is nothing more satisfying in the United States then owning and or managing a small business of your own. And unlike most occupations. As an entertainer you can but I don't recommend it, choose you day off and vacation days. I get to work as hard as I want. And on the days Im not performing Im working on the website and doing other things to promote the show I even get things done around the house on those slow days.. something that wouldn't happen with the other jobs out there." If I use a response like that It just might shut the heckler up.
"You may think that i only talk of things from the past, you know, history, well magic is history"
-Guy Jarrett "Curiosity isn't a sin Harry, but it should be exorcised with great caution." -Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire) http://www.jordanallen-mentalist.webs.com/ |
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Rymagician New user 22 Posts |
I'm about to turn twenty, and have never held a 'normal job.' Not even retail or Starbucks like all my high school friends. I've always made magic pay the bills.
If I keep it up my whole life, I'm going to write a book called "How I Made It Through Life Without Ever Getting A Job." ***, maybe I should go get a copyright on that now...
)2yan
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Cody Comet Loyal user Louisville, KY 201 Posts |
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On 2009-03-05 16:29, Rymagician wrote: I'm a sophomore in High School right now and that is my number one goal in my magic life. Even if I never become world famous or even famous to only other magicians for that matter, I'll be sastified as long as I never have to work a "real job" In my opinion, magic is as real of a job as any other out there. And much more fun than bagging groceries all day long like all my friends will be doing lol!! |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I have no time for idiots who can't imagine magic as a real job. My regular job is floundering, while my magic business is increasing substantially and I'm looking at taking it full-time. Employers let me down, but I don't let myself down.
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Neale Bacon Inner circle Burnaby BC Canada 1775 Posts |
Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I have never actually had anyone say that to me (except my parents YEARS ago) and I am just about to turn 50.
My reply would be "What is more real than making a living doing what you truly love to do?"
Neale Bacon and his Crazy Critters
Burnaby BC Canada's Favourite Family Ventriloquist www.baconandfriends.com |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
I tell people, "Performing magic is like making a living without a job."
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ibm_usa Special user In Your Mind, Ky, USA 722 Posts |
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On 2009-03-05 18:53, Cody Comet wrote: Same here. But I hope you didn't make the mistake of jumping right into professional magic like I did. Im not making any money right at this moment because I was injured in a automobile collision and the doc says no driving. My suggestion to you is wait a few more years, focus on school and also focus on getting a good act. Now if you already have a good act that's good, take some marketing classes in school. Also take drama and public speaking classes either in high school or in college. Also remember money follows success. Continue what your doing and the money will come in time.
"You may think that i only talk of things from the past, you know, history, well magic is history"
-Guy Jarrett "Curiosity isn't a sin Harry, but it should be exorcised with great caution." -Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire) http://www.jordanallen-mentalist.webs.com/ |
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