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Firebert New user 97 Posts |
Do you think it is a good idea to use the ball penetration phase in a C+B routine?
It's simple and a good way to introduce the audience to the "magic properties" of the cups and balls. However, do you think that this bit of magic is over-exposed? This trick comes with every little set of plastic cups that a lot of people bought for $5 at their local magic shop. I don't want the audience to know that I have 4 balls right from the beginning. Or worse, I don't want some kid to yell out, "I know how you do that; you're using four balls!" Any thoughts?
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
Use the elevator move, and you'll kill.
I use it in the middle of my routine: First ball penetrates (I use the elevator move as I stack the cups. Inertia move allows the second ball to be loaded. Elevator move- second ball has penetrated. To load the third ball I use something a little original: it is a way I can pick up the top cup and pick up the ball that is nested between the 2nd and 3rd cup both at the same time. This move looks extremely clean. Now I do the flip move (cup and concealed ball flips 360 deg. or 720 deg. etc) and I load the third ball. For the last ball penetration I use the Snap move ( I think that's the right name) and use the centrifugal move to stack those 2 cups onto the 3rd cup that has the three balls under it. And now the 3rd ball can be revealed. I like the sequence and my spectators do too. How do you guys like it?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Works for me!
Don't dismiss things that you think the spectator should know. You can blow them away with what they don't know.
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
Here we are, magicians talking to one another. Often we tend to forget that most spectators have never seen a magician live, much less know anything about the magic. Most of them have no idea what a double lift is - much less a Galloping Post.
Relax, don't suppose the spectators have seen anything. Besides, even if they have, if you are entertaining they will love it. A musician will not shy away from Mozart just because most people have been exposed to his work. |
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
That reminds me, Galloping post is awesome!
Rikbrooks is absolutely right.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
I once watched from a distance as a guy in a bar (non-magician, just someone who knew this trick) performed the basic penetration routine with styro coffee cups and wadded napkin balls. He killed!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I can't figure it out but it sounds good.
Quote: On 2005-04-17 23:25, Magicmaven wrote:
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Bennie90 Regular user Finland 169 Posts |
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On 2005-04-17 23:25, Magicmaven wrote: Couldn't understand. Maybe a vid?
*going crazy with Jeff Mcbrides Art Of Card Manipulation dvds*
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
Put it in print and most will overlook it in one fashion or another. Besides I would guess that if you come across someone who had a cheap starter set of cups it was when they were young & none of it will be fresh in their memory (especially if your misdirection is where it should be).
I wouldn't worry about people seeing this move in directions either. Most people throw away directions that are easy to read- can you imagine most lay people reading a set of magical instructions? I can smell the smoke from here MM
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
Lol. Ok, I'll see what I can do for a video clip or something
:)
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Royston South Regular user Jersey Channel Islands 137 Posts |
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On 2005-04-17 22:22, Firebert wrote: Some people remember the 4th ball from when they were kids and will acknowlede this with "I know this one you have an extra ball" they know nothing, I just wink and say chase me, when the final loads appear you can pick there jaw up of the floor, just acknowlede them and let the fun begin. all the best Royston |
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts |
My little daughter (7) has a magic set and knows the penetration routine with the fourth ball, although she's a bit fumble-fingered. I know the basics of other routines but have never performed them. My kid bottled out of doing a show she had planned for the family, so I did it for her - just the basic penetration routine. I was amazed at the reactions. People really don't know about the extra ball.
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
You might be surprised how many people are completely deceived by the Flushtration Count to show the cups empty while loading one or two cups.
I really like the penetrations, because it is the perfect setup to do the wand-through-cup move while claiming that the cups do not have "a spring-loaded locking hinge mechanism." When the wand penetrates, of course you screw it a bit tighter as per Vernon, looking exasperated. If a few people are wise to this, no big deal. I do this early in the routine and try to flatten everyone at the end. Yours, Paul |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Ken Brooke's routine from Routined Manipulations used only 3 balls.
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Firebert New user 97 Posts |
Wow, thanks for all the responses. I really appreciate it.
I, too, have seen the penetration phase balffle spectators. I was just wondering if this had turned into another "D'Lite" or "Floating Card" by way of the magic shops pushing the cheap C+B sets. Anyway, I think that I will keep this as my opening phase. I really like Royston's idea; give a sly wink and say "Just watch..." By the way, Magicmaven, I'm not exactly sure what you were saying, but it's probabaly a good idea. Thanks again for all the input, and feel free to add to what has already been said.
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
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On 2005-04-19 16:31, Royston South wrote: I have two cups and balls routines. One is silent and choreographed. The timing is the key. When the routine is silent (with music) I've found that nobody talks, they just watch. Every now and then, not often, somebody says something about a 'ball in my pocket' when I'm doing the speaking routine where I claim that I have only one ball even though they plainly see three. I call the second ball an illusion and the third a figment of their imagination. For this routine I use a variation of the Bannon routine from Impossibilia. If they say that there is an extra ball I wait and at the end point out, "You were right, I have more than one ball." They are expecting me to say 3 or 4. "I have EIGHT balls. One, two, three..." I count the three balls. I lift a cup to show a 2" red rubber ball, "...four..." another cup to show a 2.5" red rubber ball, "...five..." then the third cup to show a larger red rubber ball, six. Back to the first cup and yet another larger ball, seven. By now I've stacked the cups. I recount, one, two, three, etc. when I get to seven I say, "Oh yeah." I pick up the stack, unscrew it and an 8 ball falls out ----'EIGHT' Kinda makes them shut up about a fourth ball. |
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jolyonjenkins Inner circle United Kingdom 1181 Posts |
Someone on magicvideodepot does a routine which starts with the kids' version (cheap plastic cups etc) and then moves onto a more "adult" routine but then uses the plastic cups as the final loads. The way he does it takes far too long, but I think the concept is valid
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Leppy Regular user Eden Prairie, MN 161 Posts |
Two items that come to mind...I have been getting better over the last few years in my magic, but still have a way to go...When my interest resurfaced, I remembered seeing the chop cup by someone and liked the final loads surprise. A fello worker found out I liked magic and let me know he did also, especially the cups and balls. The routine I remembered as a kid came to mind and I thought " Oh yeah, the cups and balls...real great stuff" I thought he was even more of a beginner than I was. Then I saw him perform and it blew me away. Anothe was the linking rings. Heard of someone that performed for a group of kids, and when the show was over, one of them said that they had a set in a kit, they didn't work like the magicians and that theirs had a slit in the ring that his didn't have. I guess this was a long and messed up way to say that presentation is what really matters. Just my 3.5 cents...
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rikbrooks Inner circle Olive Branch, Mississippi 1317 Posts |
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... and when the show was over, one of them said that they had a set in a kit, they didn't work like the magicians and that theirs had a slit in the ring that his didn't have. He must have bought his from the same manufacturer. My rings have the same defect. |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2005-04-20 17:45, rjenkins wrote: I like this concept. Shouldn't be surprised if the routine is too long... most are. I also think it would be very cool to use those cheap little props that the audience would never expect much from, and then totally kill with them. Woven into a theme of magic you did as a kid, the contrast would make the outcome even stronger by comparison. Almost as if these little things really did have some magic in them. I'm sure this is what made the routine I described in an earlier post so strong. Great magic from the least likely source. ~michael
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