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James Owen
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Alright fellow magicians, how are you all doing? fine I hope. What I was wondering was, is the pencil thru dollar bill trick for a beginner.

Best and Kind Regards

Take Care all of you
Peter Marucci
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There are several versions of the trick, from gimmicked pencils to add-on gimmicks, to totally ungimmicked methods.
Misled is good and would probably work for a beginner.
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Dave Harkey's version requires no gaffs, and is relatively easy to learn. Rather than playing with another gimmick, why not learn a totally impromptu version that is just as effective. (It is in his large hardbound book)
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danny
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I don't rate the gimmiked version personally but if you can pick up an ungimmiked version then I think you will be pleased
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I love that trick, and I use a gimmicked-one. It's nice and quite easy to show, but you definitely need a second, real pen to exchange, so it can be examined.
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I do a Pen through dollar, Learned it quite easily when I started... I still use it to great success... But you do, and should switch for an Un-gimmicked one for examination..

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Has anyone tried the 'Perfect Pen'?

It's a really expensive gimmicked pen but supposedly - no switch is needed.

Just wanted some opinions before buying.
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I have a wonder pen... In the past 100 performances I have used it with, I have never once been asked to examine the pen. So I see these examinable pens, and switches to be totally unecessary... My routine is designed so that I'm already moving on to the next thing and their focus is never on the pen long enough to make them suspicious.. they examine the dollar... sure.. go for it. but put the pen away! Even if you shilled out the big bucks for the examinable model... don't go saying: "See, it's a regular pen with no gimmick"... Normal people assume that pens are normal too... it's only magicians who think otherwise.
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Quote:
On 2002-10-07 10:51, Thoughtreader wrote:
Dave Harkey's version requires no gaffs, and is relatively easy to learn. Rather than playing with another gimmick, why not learn a totally impromptu version that is just as effective. (It is in his large hardbound book)
PSIncerely Yours,
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Harkeys version and also Sankey's "dough" rely on an origami principal that is very good, but not nearly as convincing as "misled" or one of the "wonder-pen" type effects. Great for impromptu, but the others look scads better.
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Flip,
I beg to differ. I was taught to do it by Dave personally and after the pencil goes through, you clearly show it all around and the illusion of the pencil through the bill is astonishing. Then, when you have someone hold the ends of the pencil and they hear you rip the bill from the pencil, the illusion is reinforced. Then you do the "magic" and restore the bill completely.

Now as opposed to having to carry a gimmick, having to ditch the gimmick, perform switches, etc., why would you prefer that over an ungimmicked, totally impromptu version?

Harkey's is THE way to go, anytime, anywhere.

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Is it possible to buy Dave Harkey's routine and method separately from the book or is the book the way to go? I'm starting out on impromptu and would like to include a pen thru dollar bill routine, would the rest of the book be relevant as well? Would be great if someone could point me to detailed review of Simply Harkey.
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Simply Harkey is full of great ideas, in fact, when you consider the price of the book, instead of one trick, you get many excellent and practical ideas. Besides the pencil thru bill, goldfiner is worth the price of the book (a finger ring repeatedly penetrates your finger). For slightly more than double the price of a "gimmicked" version of pencil through bill, you can have the book.
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I agree. Sometimes, simplicity is the best way to do ANYTHING!! If it's really complicated to do, then the chance is much better that they are going to see everything. The key for me is to do it without gimmicks, or switches. The only problem I have with some tricks is "WOW.... do that again?..."
And of course, if you gimmicked it, It is very hard to do again should you decide to!!!
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Harkey's routine was in the Linking Ring (part of a Parade) a few years back.
Anyone remember what year or month?
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Be easy on me, what's a parade in magical terms?
thanks y'all
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Quote:
On 2002-10-24 13:14, Thoughtreader wrote:

Now as opposed to having to carry a gimmick, having to ditch the gimmick, perform switches, etc., why would you prefer that over an ungimmicked, totally impromptu version?

Harkey's is THE way to go, anytime, anywhere.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat


Actually, I mostly agree with you. For impromptu, go with Harkey or Sankeys
"origami" type impromptu effect.

But, keep in mind that the penetration doesn't look as convincing as it does with
"misled" or "the perfect pen".

The gimmick for misled is very small and can be used with no switching of the pen. Ditching it comes almost naturally and normally the pencil isn't even suspected. With no knucklebusting moves or weird switches, you can have the spectators convinced with misled that both bill and pencil are innocent. *which in fact they are since the gaffus is not integral to either the bill or the pencil*

When Copperfield did Misled on one of his specials, it garnered as much or more public comment as his very largest illusions. Very strong, audience tested effect.

I've also been told that certain folks who are familiar with origami techniques *like the Japanese* aren't really that fooled by Dough and Harkeys effect. When I originally saw "dough", it was nice, but the necessity to fold bill in a very specific way enabled me to suss the "work" before I actually checked in "Sankey Pankey" (or was that 100% Sankey?) to verify that I was correct.

Harkey and Sankey's versions also do not offer the extremely visual "melting pen through bill" effect that is possible with misled.

Check out a video clip of it right here.

http://www.jedinat.com/upload/misled_dsl.wmv

Anyways, this discussion has already been had at length right here.

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On 2002-10-26 18:10, lawrenceng wrote:
Be easy on me, what's a parade in magical terms?



A "parade" is what Linking Ring magazine calls the section of their magazine devoted to effects presented by one or more magi.
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Tolga Ozuygur
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I agree that Misled is more convincing than the inpromptu version. Instead of discussing which one is better, why don't we have them both? None of them cost us a fortune... Smile Smile Smile
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I use the perfect pen penatration, and I've never been caught. Smile
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I've found one pen called Pen Penetration. This pen has features found in more expensive pens but at a much lower price ($10.00 only). The pen is pushed through a borrowed bill then BOTH the pen and bill are immediately handed out for examination. It's by EMPIRE...

Does anyone has this one? Any comments?

Thanks very much!
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clui
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How about the stealth pen?
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