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lippesmagic
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Can anyone tell me if they have a chop cup that would fit a standard sized Baseball in it as the final load? None of the magic shops seem willing or able to tell me if it will fit, and I don't want to buy one and have it not work. So if you could all give it a try for me and if it fits no problem, I would like to know where you purchased it. Thank you!
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There are a couple of Chop Cups that are made take a regulation baseball. You might want to look at the Riser Ultimate Chop Cup (Tall) by Jim Riser, or the Big Don (Don Alan) Chop Cup by RNT2. Both of these are fairly pricey compared to the usual assortment of Chop Cups you'll find at most magic shops, but they are among the very best quality Chop Cups that have ever been made.

Both of these cups can be somewhat hard to get your hands on, too. The RNT2 web site shows the Big Don Chop Cup as being sold out, but I believe you can find them at select dealers, and they are occasionally available on eBay. Jim Riser seems to produce very limited runs of most of his products, so you'll probably need to contact him directly to check availability.

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Geemack is right about the two chop cups. The 50th anniversary Don Alan cup will take one, as well.

The Tim Star chop cup will take a baseball. If you can't afford the RnT 2 cup, you can sometimes find used Don Alan cups on eBay. Same with the Tim Star cups. There was a Don Alan stainless cup on eBay this past week. The opening bid was very reasonable for that cup.

The tall Jim Riser cup is an excellent one as well.
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Greg;
Thanks for the kind words. When I have time (which is not right now), I also make a short baseball chop cup. These are made with either a plain cup rim or a rolled bead. I do not have a picture of a rolled bead rim cup on this computer; but here is a picture of a plain rim baseball chop cup in aluminum:

http://www.JamesRiser.com/Magic/Ultimate......p082.jpg

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For those that like the idea of a leather cup,
I have one of those, black or brown.

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I have the honor to own and USE one of James Riser's masterpieces in my street act, an Ultimate Chop Cup. It kills. The best part about Jim's tall cup is I can do a couple of pure sleights near the end of the bit with the baseball held firmly in the cup. The baseball then appears to come out of nowhere.
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Jim's ultimate chop cups are really great. Once he has some time, I will order one of these new ones.
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The new RNT II Stubby Don Alan, also takes a baseball.
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I use his shorty...pefedt for size 140 lemons....i bought the first one and liked it so much bought a second for the time when I loose the first....wich I hope never happens
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On 2005-05-11 21:28, Mad Jake wrote:
The new RNT II Stubby Don Alan, also takes a baseball.


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http://www.Jesmagic.com has some really good ones but they are pretty pricey
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On 2005-05-11 21:28, Mad Jake wrote:
The new RNT II Stubby Don Alan, also takes a baseball.


I recently purchased a Don Alan Stubby Chop Cup off of someone on ebay. It's the stainless steel one with the liner. Really nice weight, nicely made but it doesn't cover a baseball on a flat surface. It's just a fraction of an inch too short, or too stubby as the case may be.

I had purchased one of the original Don Alan Chop Cups from Rings and Things in the 70's and got a giant crocheted ball as a final load that matched the smaller balls. This doesn't fit into the stubby chop cup either.

Does anyone else have this problem with their Don Alan Stubby Chop Cup or did I perhaps purchase an anomoly?

If you are having this problem, what are you people using as final loads?

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I use an Ickle Pickle Wide Mouth Chop Cup. It'll take a 3" diameter ball - more than big enough to take a baseball. It's inexpensive, too.
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The JES magic cups are not chop cups. Nor will they take a baseball.
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Okay, but what about the Don Alan Stubby Chop Cup put out by RNTII? Is anyone else an owner of one and if so, can you rest your cup over a baseball and have the cup sit flush on the table top?

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Here's the situation on the Don Alan Stubby cup. If you are working on a fairly resilient close-up mat, you can do it. The baseball protrudes about 1/16 of an inch from the bottom of the cup when you load it in. I have three of these, one stainless and two copper, and all three of them are like this.

The cup is heavy enough that when you put a baseball into it, if you have just a little give in the mat, the cup will seat. But if you are working on a solid surface, you will get a little bit of wobble.

So your cup is not an anomaly.

Bear in mind that baseballs do expand and contract very slightly with the humidity. But this is consistent across the board for the Don Alan Stubby cups.
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Bill,

Thanks for the info.

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On 2005-12-27 14:14, Bill Palmer wrote:
Here's the situation on the Don Alan Stubby cup. If you are working on a fairly resilient close-up mat, you can do it. The baseball protrudes about 1/16 of an inch from the bottom of the cup when you load it in. I have three of these, one stainless and two copper, and all three of them are like this.

The cup is heavy enough that when you put a baseball into it, if you have just a little give in the mat, the cup will seat. But if you are working on a solid surface, you will get a little bit of wobble.

So your cup is not an anomaly.

Bear in mind that baseballs do expand and contract very slightly with the humidity. But this is consistent across the board for the Don Alan Stubby cups.


I have also found that having prominent seams on the balls makes this worse. The cups sit a little better if you can flatten the seams a bit so they don't protrude as much.

The specifications on the cups are pretty tight though - I have a stainless stubby Don Alan that comfortably takes the ball, but a 50th Anniv cup that needs a soft surface as Bill suggests.

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Working on a solution for this issue guys. The baseballs we used here when we designed the cup worked with about 1/8" to spare. I'm trying to locate baseballs that meet the specs of the ones we used as soon as we do I'll make another post here and those of you that have our stubby cup can message me and I'll ship one out to you at no charge to you of course. My only interest is making sure your routines go as smoothly as possible using the stubby cup.

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