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johnmagic Regular user 13419 fitzhugh road austin tx 78736 109 Posts |
Are there any magicians at present performing the Dekolta Chair on a raised base with steps? And if so, is it well-received by the lay audience? Is it better to have the gimmick sewed to the cloth or unattached to the cloth? Your advice would be much appreciated.
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muzicman Special user LaCenter, Wa 989 Posts |
Copperfield HAS done it on a table, which looked great. He is not performing it on his current tour but I do have it on his DVD. Great presentation, great illusion!
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Magic Monkichi Elite user Ontario, Canada 401 Posts |
My advice is this.
Follow DeKoltas presentation and workings, and you will have an amazing illusion to add to your show. With his handling and workings of the gimmicks you will be very very pleased with the audience response. Trust me I have done it Magically yours, Matthew Kielbiski |
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Osiris Special user 610 Posts |
I know it's a pain, but to do the DeKolta on any kind of raised platform seems to deminish the impact of the effect on the audience. Primarily due to the fact that it makes absolutely no sense for a chair to be up on a table (especially with a set of steps nearby)... it's illogical! (unless you can explain away such things via the skit, set, and other supporting elements leading up to the effect. For Copperfield it was having the act take place in an attic where old furniture was stacked and set aside in storage.)
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
Osiris got a valid point there. DeKolta's original presentation was a real killer, if I remember correctly (from what I've read, I am not THAT old lol) even the chair vanished in the end. Of course it looks neat on a platform but it doesn seem illogical if you stop for a moment and think about it. I think in the original version stage was covered with newspapers to prove a stage trap cant be used. I'd like to see someone do it in the original way.
I have performed it some 5 years ago. Our entire stage was dressed as a storage facility and the effect seemed impromptu as the props were allready onstage. I have seen somewhere a version which is an "electric chair"-with that the platform is a bit more logical.
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NFox Inner circle I Do Mentalism Now?! 1101 Posts |
I thought the original presentation only called for the cloth to disappear in the end...not the chair. I could be wrong on this, but that is what I remember reading. I think another part of the original presentation that helped sell it was putting newspaper on the floor to eliminate the idea that there were t***s in the stage. And although I the original presentation was amazing I cannot recommend using your own creativity enough. This will give your performance a feel unique to you.
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
Ooops, my bad...there is an asrah thingy for sale at Magicauction in which the chair disappears. You're right Nick, it is the cloth that vanishes. Maybe I AM that old after all...
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collective foundry Inner circle 1404 Posts |
The ashra Cloth Vanish Chair was Designed with/for Illusionist Alexander Lien with Myself & Michelangelo from Michelangelo Magic Works , Alex developed the final workings and rigging on the chair, and from seeing pictures & video was built and performed with flawless execution. I think (not too sure) Alex built it independently with a builder Craig dickens, from what it looks like it looked & worked quite well. He really did a great job with the lev & vanish. From the video it seemed well received too. I think the Dekolta is very effective in old fashion in new fashion. And has so much room for improvement and different performances and looks.
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
Although it might seem illogical for the audience to see the chair over a table for example, I think it adds to the overall effect, as the underside of the table is seen at all times and the performers can be seen walking behind it. Thus eliminating the perception of the t*** ***r. My two cents
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Caveat Lector Elite user 493 Posts |
I myself use three different methods for this illusion depending on my venue. When you can use the obvious one. But, I also use just a plane base in some venues and no one ever seems to care about the base since it fits the motif of the show. I also like to use a thin base with the steps, and if you play it right the steps should be gone before the audience even is aware of them. This is a great illusion when done properly, my crew and I worked countless hours on getting the timing down between all of us so that the vanish is super fast. Good luck, this is a great piece of magic and you will love it.
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Chris Stolz Inner circle Mississauga, Ontario 1958 Posts |
John,
If you have a look at the promo video on my website you will see photo of a design for a version of this called, "Chair Up There". It cn be used as an appearance before the routine, and used to Dekolta vanish at the end. If you cannot view the video clip, email me for a photo. - Chris
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collective foundry Inner circle 1404 Posts |
Hello there.
We have a version called "Pure shores" that uses no steps. We developed it about 4 1/2 years back. It can be used also as a vanish, switch or apparance. Was also featured in several of our past lines. We have only an lx version available at this time. Will be posted to IEI's site shortly but if you want first dibs let me know. We're only releasing two worldwide. Good Luck, Ryan |
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The Mirror Images Inner circle Michigan/USA 1980 Posts |
Ryan has some good stuff. He has designed some crazy stuff for our show. The ideas he has and methods are just insane. So some good stuff. Worth looking into.
Cheers, Michael
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rtgreen Inner circle Portland, Oregon 1322 Posts |
Since we're on the subject of the Dekolta chair, does anyone know if Lance Burton's performance is on one of his tv specials?
Thanks, Richard |
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collective foundry Inner circle 1404 Posts |
I think it was...... its just the standard version right? I remember a purpleish chair thingy
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Dear Reedrc,
The chair in the picture is a "satans seat illusion" & not a Dekolta chair ! |
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rtgreen Inner circle Portland, Oregon 1322 Posts |
The reason I am asking is I'm curious about the base he uses. I understand it is a small table with a light underneath it. I would like to see it to get a better idea of it's look.
Thanks, Richard |
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bry1513 Veteran user 373 Posts |
I have the Lance Burton special where he uses the Dekolta chair and he does not use a base.....
Take care, Bry |
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collective foundry Inner circle 1404 Posts |
Ah my bad, wasent sure about the photo..
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Scanlon Magic & Illusion New user Naperville, IL 13 Posts |
I do the DeKolta Chair without a base or trap door. In the illusion, I vanish from the chair, but am covered by two assistants. There's just a few seconds when they stretch out the cloth and cover the illusion, but I'm able to set the gimmick and get out. PM me and we can discuss how I get out of sight fast without the audiance seeing where I go.
It has to be a theater setup in order to pull off this method. It's the easiest method, and works great if your timing is right. ~M |
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