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Melephin
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My experience taught me, that performing for teenagers is no different, then for adults (there are difficult adults, too). Just don't challenge them (Like you know something they don't or you can do something, they can't) and don't show off. They will take the challenge (I my opinion difficult spectators are in 97.5% the performers fault). If you can put yourself on the same level with your audience so that you and your audience experience and enjoy the magic together, even teenagers may turn out to be a great audience.
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I would guess that magic phone apps are the way to go.
Teenagers all have mobile phones and associate with social media and the internet.
Consequently anything would go down well ...

And ... there are great magic apps out there.
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On Jul 2, 2019, wulfiesmith wrote:
I would guess that magic phone apps are the way to go.
Teenagers all have mobile phones and associate with social media and the internet.
Consequently anything would go down well ...

And ... there are great magic apps out there.


good way to entertain - but I question the "magic" part.

The very inclusion of obvious electronic technology dilutes any possible thought of "must be magic."

The phrase "go down well" will cause me a sleepless night. I want to create a 30 year memory with my performance.

It comes down (perhaps) to what one is attempting to accomplish as a performing magician.

Not saying your view is not sound advice - just that one should be clear on why they are involved in magic,
and what they are attempting to convey to an audience.
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On Jun 5, 2019, kaubell wrote:
If you forget that magic is a secret, your whole body language and attitude changes.

How easy its to just talk to anybody. Ask directions if you got lost. Ask how much is the clock. Anything, you just talk.
You are not prepared to hide, or have secret in average human contacts. Nobody looks for it.

When you get exposed with secret, you feel like your pants been pulled down and everybody laughs.
You stand there, don't know what to do, pull pants up and continue. Its embarrasing.

If you eat sandwich and somebody says "you eat sandwich", all you can say "yep" and continue.
Theres no secrets there. Nobody makes you embarrased. Nobody pulls your pants down.
They cant expose you eating sandwich. Its not secret.

How much you care when somebody says "You did DL", and how you don't care at all when somebody says "you eat sandwich".
The difference is in secrecy.


I read this several times. I have a rather high IQ. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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On Jul 2, 2019, wulfiesmith wrote:
I would guess that magic phone apps are the way to go.
Teenagers all have mobile phones and associate with social media and the internet.
Consequently anything would go down well ...

And ... there are great magic apps out there.


Would you care to explain how this contributes to this thread. How do phone apps apply to this topic?
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On Jul 2, 2019, wulfiesmith wrote:
I would guess that magic phone apps are the way to go.
Teenagers all have mobile phones and associate with social media and the internet.
Consequently anything would go down well ...

And ... there are great magic apps out there.


Would you care to explain how this contributes to this thread. How do phone apps apply to this topic?
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On Jun 7, 2019, Jed Maxwell wrote:
I derive intense physical and emotional pleasure from scaring teenagers witless. It's like I seek to become a mental scar on the maximum number of undeveloped minds as possible.

Andrew Melia's Box of Fear, Eric Ross's Denail, Joe Russell's Disjointed, Johannes Mengel's Breaking Point, Wayne Houchin's Thread ... all the sick stuff. I'm really looking for Zoran's Horror Cutter to buy next but am unable to source it from anywhere.

This stuff culls the jerks. The jerks become limp and ineffectual. All-the-while your act will be talked about intensely for a few days and your name will spread.


Have you considered seeing a psychiatrist?

I got paid well for ENTERTAINING. I did that. I didn't need to accost adolescents on the street, trying to frighten them.
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On Jul 2, 2019, wulfiesmith wrote:
I would guess that magic phone apps are the way to go.
Teenagers all have mobile phones and associate with social media and the internet.
Consequently anything would go down well ...

And ... there are great magic apps out there.


Would you care to explain how this contributes to this thread. How do phone apps apply to this topic?


Because just about every teenager is familiar with phone apps. Most are more familiar with them than a piece of rope or a deck of cards. I think his post is absolutely relevant to teens and this thread. Phone apps have everything to do with teens nowadays. Try spotting a teen in a public place that doesn't have a cell phone in his hand.
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Did you read the entire thread, Bobby?

I suggest that you scroll up and see my post on June 1 and June 2. See also Mindpro's June 2 post.

I haven't been a teenager since 1951, but, I have performed for thousands of teens, from coast to coast and border to border, over 50 years, very successfully, and was well paid.

I got great receptions because I fooled them without making fools of them.
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Rare for me - I was at a mall today. So, I observed teenagers in action. Yes, many had cellphones out and visible.
But ALL had shoes. Anything done with, about or focusing on shoes should go down well.
I asked about and those with cell phones typically have several pairs of shoes.

Now finding magic effects using shoes may be difficult, but I have never seen a phone app that comes across as magic. Trick, sure. Puzzle, probably.
Of course, Get Smart covered both bases.

Yup, gotta go with shoes as the popular choice.
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Shoes! Brilliant. Paul Harris "earth shoes" and linking laces come to mind. You can open with self tying shoe laces then end with Richard Sanders "interlace". What a great idea funsway!...anything else?
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You could start limping, pull off a shoe and pluck out a can of soda. Easy to rig as a Chop Cup too.
There is always the self-levitation ploy.

How about, just for the magic to work, every spectator in a circle has to rotate their feet so that their shoes touch,
Sorta like holding hands that they cannot do since they are clutching a cell phone.
That way, you can blame the shoes and not the cell phone for lack of attention.
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It is not about what tick you perform. It is about how you treat them, about your knowledge and skill about communication, about how to perform... It doesn't really matter, what trick you perform. Teenagers might even love a classic spongeball routine, if you get them involved. Well, my experience anyway….
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On Jul 9, 2019, Melephin wrote:
It is not about what tick you perform. It is about how you treat them, about your knowledge and skill about communication, about how to perform... It doesn't really matter, what trick you perform. Teenagers might even love a classic spongeball routine, if you get them involved. Well, my experience anyway….


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"YOUSE HAVE SAID IT, VERY WELL! Here's wheat S.H. Sharpe said (years ago):::

"...Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks, are strangers to magic.
Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained."
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COMMUNICATION: Talk "WITH" THEM, NOT "TO" OR "AT" THEM!

Your PRESENTATION, how you "sell" YOURSELF, to your audience, is the 'key" to success.
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I suggest that you check out my "articleS" about "illusion" in the KIDABRA forum on June 14, 2017 I wrote SEVERAL POSTS. Read ALL OF THEM.

(Note: Magic is 5% sleight of hand technique, 5% esoteric science principles, 5% SENSORY ILLUSIONS, and 85% PSYCHOLOGY!)

My opening lines (with teenagers) are: "For the next 45 minutes, we're going to have FUN, learning how our fallible senses confuse our intelligent minds and, allow magic to happen!" Then, I demonstrate one or two optical illusions like the boomerang sticks, to emphasize how THEIR SENSES make "magic" possible.

Later, I do tricks like the Professor's Nightmare. At the finish, I say, "I think that that was an illusion! What do YOU think?" When I "style", they usually agree with laughs and applause.

Comments? Questions?
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Excellent advice and resources Dick. You can always tell who has had real experience performing and connecting with kids vs. just ideas, theories and opinions. Also, who entertains kids vs. those that just execute magic tricks. I can't tell you how many kids magicians are the latter.
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On Jul 9, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
Excellent advice and resources Dick. You can always tell who has had real experience performing and connecting with kids vs. just ideas, theories and opinions. Also, who entertains kids vs. those that just execute magic tricks. I can't tell you how many kids magicians are the latter.


Thank you for your very kind words!

I just hope that the younger magicians, and their audiences, will benefit!
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"...Those who think that magic consists of doing tricks, are strangers to magic.
Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained."

I think it matters what tricks you do.

Its like painter who don't care what he paints, just as long he blows whistles and jumps up and down in the art gallery.

You cant/dont want to pull up entertainment show everywhere you go.

When I watch magic trick where mysterious guy is silent, hes entrtaining.
When I watch magic show where goofy jingle bells guy jumps up and down and blows every whistle, I walk out.

What is entertaining, and what kind entertainment audience appreciates as valuable entertainment.
Theres no one solution for that. So, you can entertain anybody just by being completely silent. It can actually enchace your effect much more.

I don't say its right thing, but I don't think everybody should do whistle jump magic shows, and many can look more beliavable once they discover their own style, rather than quickjump to entertainment.
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I am assuming DL meant down low, and he was saying you did a secret move.

So, during the trick when you put the scarf in the egg, you can show them that but tell them it's on the down low, as they cant tell anyone. Then of course you peel the sticker off and crack the egg and leave them amazed.

Teenagers may be the biggest skeptics. But they also will give the best reaction. I would seek a group of teenagers to 3, but max of 8. You need to have the right angles and too many kids will give things away.

If you have one kid acting up, bring him up to the front and make a fool out of him. Have him pick the wrong card/cup/ect. Have his moms name appear on your arm. If he knows all your moves, you might have to practice more or learn better moves. The double flip still tricks me, and I am practicing it.
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"make a fool out of him. Have him pick the wrong card/cup/ect. Have his moms name appear on your arm."

Sounds like bullying to me. What is your objective when performing? "Must be magic" doesn't seem to be part of it.

Maybe "down low" means "lowest common denominator." Very sad.

But curious - what is "give the best reaction?" What reaction do you refer to?

How do they demonstrate that they have seen a demonstration of the impossible so powerful they don't even try and figure it out?

You use the word "trick" several times. Do you perform any magic effects?

Puzzles are not magic. Mysteries are not magic. Skill demonstrations are not magic.
Yes, they can be part of building a magic routine in which audience engagement is vital. Belittling people can never be magic.

"Learning better moves" - yes, it appears that would be a good idea.
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