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Otis Day
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In the preview for "Born To Perform Card Magic" is says there are 4 full length performances. Then it lists them and shows a brief clip. In it, two card monte is listed, but both cards are shown face down. Tell me he's not performing a version of "Be Honest" and misnaming it with two card monte. Anyone know?
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Well, David Blaine performed Eddie Fechter's "Be Honest With Me" in one of his specials, and he called it Two Card Monte also....Haven't seen the Oz video, so I can't comment on that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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I'm a little tired, so I be be off here, but I believe Two Card Monte is Blaine's (is it?) version of Be Honest.

so, theyre you go.
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Twisting the Aces is my version of Reset.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Sorry to go off-topic slightly, but David Williamson does a nice version of "Be Honest What Is It?" on his DVD "Magic Farm" and calls it "The Memory Test." He does 'try' to give credit to the originator (Fechter) but still mis-titles it!! Lousy research for an otherwise excellent DVD.

Why do people have such problems with this masterpiece of card magic?

When I do this for folk, I actually say, "Be honest, what is it?" (I know, sad!)

By the way - there's a few threads on the Be Hones / Two Card Monte issue.

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On 2005-05-09 00:55, Otis Day wrote:
In the preview for "Born To Perform Card Magic" is says there are 4 full length performances. Then it lists them and shows a brief clip. In it, two card monte is listed, but both cards are shown face down. Tell me he's not performing a version of "Be Honest" and misnaming it with two card monte. Anyone know?


He is performing like Blaine and misnaming it. Of course, it isn't credited either.
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It's his own version of it. Not much is changed, though. I think the PM mixed up the Biddle Trick and "Ultimate Transpo" (a.k.a Here Then There) in the demo. Heh.
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I don't have the book handy, and I may be wrong, but believe the difference is this:

In the book "Fechter", there is no set up and whatever cards are on top at the time are used.

The 2 card monte versions I've seen use contrasting pairs.
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Yes. Fechter's routine is impromptu, but it also has a kicker ending that is left out of all the Blaine-style versions.
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Oh yea, I forgot about the kicker.
I'll have to dig out the book.

By the way, in John Carney's "Carneycopia" there is a trick called "Sanverted".
I can see this being used instead of 2 card monte.
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Fechter is a great book. There are quite a few routines I regularly perform from that book. Good stuff.

I have never read Carneycopia. I might have to look into that. Thanks.
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Carneycopia is one of my favorites.

Actually I loved reading Fechter's unique style and humor.
I see it as rough and ready magic and ideal for the bar scene.
Type of guy I would have liked to sit down with and have a few brews.
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I would have loved to have had the pleasure of meeting Eddie Fechter. I don't know if he would have like me, but I think I would have liked him. Smile
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The Fechter trick is also taught on the video Secret Sessions.

Paul Gertner teaches it and YES he uses contrasting pairs. He credits Fechter and even goes over how in the book, you use whatever cards are on top of the deck but it is preferred to use contrasting cards.
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Paul Gertner is very good and a very good teacher. I have no doubt that he properly credited. It doesn't take but a few seconds to cull contrasting colors, but with the totally impromptu version, you can even have the spectator shuffle and take it from there.
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So whats Dr Jacob Daileys last trick then?
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You show a packet of four of a kind and place the 2 red cards in the spectators hands.

BLAMO!

they have the black cards and you have the red.

2 card monte is essentially a combination of be honest and daleys last trick.
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No it isn't. "Two Card Monte" is exactly the Fechter routine. Nothing big has been changed. In the original Fechter handling, the two queens change to two random cards. If you consider an extra little setup a variation, then you need to recheck the meaning of the word.

However, a few things were changed when Blaine did it. Firstly, the presentation is different. Unless my interpretation of the Fechter routine is way off, I think he used the switch bit almost secretly. And, as mentioned earlier, the kicker was left out of the Blaine handling.

There is no tranposition, just a change of two cards. It in no way resembles "The Last Trick".
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I thought only one card changes in be honest!

spectatore holds a queen (lets say) and you show an ace. you mention if you switch the queen for the ace thier holding what do they have?
they say ace.
you say right, then the queen in your hand changes to the ace.
you say if I know hold the ace, what do you have?
they say queen, and you say take a look, and it ends up being a joker.

am I thinking of a variant?
I might be.

wow, I'm off today!
Ive given wronge information on like three forums today!
and I'm wearing my shoes on the wronge feet.
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Fechter's routine is completely impromptu. You don't need to use a certain pair like Queens or Aces. Obviously, you could...but as written, it isn't necessary.

Whereas Blaine quite openly switched his card for the one being held at fingertips by the spectator, Fechter did it boldly and quickly so that the spectator was aware the cards touched, but not that they switched.

The ending had the two cards in the spectator's hand changed, and the originals were found in the magician's pocket. Blaine didn't perform this aspect.

As Nik_Mikas pointed out, using specific cards as opposed to doing it impromptu doesn't make it a different trick, nor is it a legitimate variation. It would be like me "creating" Twisting The Kings.
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