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rikbrooks
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Although I hate those 'me too' messages, I feel that I should chime in here. All that I would have said has already been said but I feel compelled to add my voice.

I remember when I first went to Italy. I went out of my way to meet Italians and learn about their culture. One of my Italian friends offered to share a bottle of wine with me. I told him that I don't like wine.

"Nonsense!" he said (in Italian), "You just haven't found the wine you like." He kept offering me wines and I kept tasting them. Eventually I discovered that I did indeed enjoy a wine. As I drank this wine I found my taste changing slowly. I started with a Frambula, fruity and sweet. Before a year was up I was enjoying Chianti, dark and dry.

My point to you is that I think you should find a self-working, or almost self working trick. Preferrably one that leaves room for growth. Start with just the trick and try to add your own patter, your own personality, to it. Do the trick so many times that you don't even think about it then concentrate on the presentation. If you choose the right trick you'll eventually be able to add some sleights to it, a little at a time.

Scotch and Soda comes to mind. As does Matrix. You might find the chop cup interesting and not too much of a dexterity challenge. As a matter of fact, the Zombie is all about presentation. The effect is simple. You can learn it in five minutes.
Kent Wong
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On 2005-05-10 13:35, PhatDad wrote:
I would rather perform/audition after I have joined a club and have taken on board the advice and tips given by the folks in the club rather than when I've never performed for anyone else. ... I'd rather not crash and burn in front of people before I've got to know them.


Don't you ever think any of the other club members have ever crashed and burned? As you gain experience, you quickly come to realize that performing in front of people you know and respect is often quite a bit more unnerving than performing in front of complete strangers. Everyone has to start somewhere, and every one of the existing members had to go through the exact same audition process.

Now, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm reading something from your post that is a bit disturbing. From your post, you want to get in first, milk the members for all their tips and advice and then maybe perform. If you were an existing member, why would you give this kind of person any of the nuggets of gold you have developed over the years?

If you aren't even willing prove how serious you are by providing some type of performance (in lecture form or otherwise), why should the members help you out? Being a member of a club does not mean being held by the hand and being spoon fed each and every last secret of the art. It means making a committment, contributing and then getting something back out of it - in that order.

Someone once told me that the cheapest thing to come by in life are excuses. Now, you can continue to make excuses, or you can make a committment. The choice is yours. But in magic, as in life, you reap what you sow.

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PhatDad
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Ahhhh tradition. Got to love it. Our ancestors did it so we must. Lets forget about changing for the better lets stay as we are because generations before us have struggled to do one thing or another. I see this all over the place, businesses, clubs etc

I don't think milking the club is what I was trying to say. Magic should be enjoyable for both the performer and the spectators. I would rather spend a trial period in a club, showing that I am serious and also receiving help from the members on moves and things I'm struggling with. Help with routining and timing and stuff like that. And then at the end of the trial period do an audition. This way the sub standard elmsley count I was struggling with could be ironed out with the advice given. Ideas for a cool story to be used through out the audition could be enhanced with people suggesting ideas for what effects or good twists could be used. Stuff like that. Instead, I'm expected to go into a scenario where I know no one, to perform some form of routine in front of people experienced in what I am trying to do and through the nerve induced wind, the stuttering patter, the dry mouth and worry caused cough entertain them enough for them to let me into a club that at that point in time I don't even know if it's for me or not.

Why people are so set in their ways that they can't even consider change, no matter how small it is, to make their craft more inviting to people and therfore enhance the craft they give so much time towards is beyond me.

The reason why David Blaine and Derren Brown, although completely different in style, are so liked by the laymen is because they have changed for the times they perform in. Maybe clubs and stuff should too.

Just my oppinion, or an excuse, up to you to decide.

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On 2005-05-11 07:51, rikbrooks wrote:
Although I hate those 'me too' messages, I feel that I should chime in here. All that I would have said has already been said but I feel compelled to add my voice.

I remember when I first went to Italy. I went out of my way to meet Italians and learn about their culture. One of my Italian friends offered to share a bottle of wine with me. I told him that I don't like wine.

"Nonsense!" he said (in Italian), "You just haven't found the wine you like." He kept offering me wines and I kept tasting them. Eventually I discovered that I did indeed enjoy a wine. As I drank this wine I found my taste changing slowly. I started with a Frambula, fruity and sweet. Before a year was up I was enjoying Chianti, dark and dry.

My point to you is that I think you should find a self-working, or almost self working trick. Preferrably one that leaves room for growth. Start with just the trick and try to add your own patter, your own personality, to it. Do the trick so many times that you don't even think about it then concentrate on the presentation. If you choose the right trick you'll eventually be able to add some sleights to it, a little at a time.

Scotch and Soda comes to mind. As does Matrix. You might find the chop cup interesting and not too much of a dexterity challenge. As a matter of fact, the Zombie is all about presentation. The effect is simple. You can learn it in five minutes.


Good advice here and thank you. This is the sort of information that a club could teach someone. Maybe I wouldn't have spent so much money on books, videos, effects and apperatus if I had been given the advice to purchase just one or two of these and learn them first. Although I can't help buying magic stuff, there is just too much out there.
Kent Wong
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Phatdad,

You can dress it up any way you want, but I don't get a sense of real committment in anything you have said. I may have misunderstood you and, if so, I apologize.

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Steven Steele
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I know that the Magic Castle has room for members that are not performers. They pay a bit more than "Regular" or "Peforming" members. They are called "Associated" members. They get in just by demonstrating an interest in the art. They don't need to perform, just demonstrate their interest.

I wonder if the Magic Circle in the UK has similar provisions? Local clubs should. We need all the help we can get in supporting our art.
rmoraleta
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Well said Jaxon!
Peter Marucci
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There is plenty of room in magic for everyone, regardless of their interests.
Performers, historians, collectors, fans, you name it -- we'll accommodate that interest (or should).

Rikbrooks makes an interesting analogy with wine -- and it's right on the money!

And remember: You're always welcome here!
tedski
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Check out the Magic Magazine with the article on Gary Plants inside.

Apparently a revered cardman on many levels - yet it indicates he rarely performs professionally.

Not long ago David Roth told me that some of the best magicians are amateurs....something to think about.
mrunge
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As mentioned before, one does NOT need to be a performer to be involved, or accepted, in the world of magic.

Most people are amateurs and NOT working professionals. Many are an "Uncle Charlie," the man who does tricks for the kids in the family.

There are a lot of people who enjoy the history of magic, collecting magic and just being around others who share a common interest. That is what makes MAGIC so much fun. There is room for everyone.

Just enjoy yourself and those around you. Now, where did that kid go?...I have a new trick I want to try out... Smile
Will Gordon
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I have a congenital lack of dexterity and co-ordination that means I'll never be much good at sleight of hand.

Mark2004

At my local club we have a magician in your similar situation. He does self working card tricks that require no sleights and he is over coming his shyness be practicing and performing in front of a few (two or three) magicians / spectators. Join a group and you'll most likely meet others just like you.

Have fun!

P.S.
Oh, I seem to remember the the Magic Castle also has auditions on one's knowledge of magic history.
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