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Dannydoyle
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Jester I guess as magicians sometimes we start to read our own publicity materials and get enthralled with it and begin to believe it ourselvs. Yes cards help. Naturally how they are presented helps. The biggest consideration is how the job is done in the first place.

Example.....if you do a crappy job and then present the card in a magical way, how many jobs do you suppose will follow from this method of showing the card. Not too many I am afraid.

But do a fantastic job, and present the card by just handing it out, and you will find LOTS of work. My point is tracking the card thing is tough, because the main factor, why they asked for it, is a variable.

Second of all, if YOU TAKE THIER card, it is a classic sales technique. Sales 101 as a matter of fact. you are in control and you follow up. I am saying this will serve you better in the long run than any trick available. Sound business tactics with business men will help too..

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Printing bussiness cards can be very cheep.
It is true here in Israel, so it must be true in Holland, my friend.

My suggestion to you is to have a couple of them printed with a face of a card on one side.
In the right moment use a little force and what was once a business card...
becomes a prediction!

Have fun!
Roi.
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Danny,

This is what I was addressing:
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On 2005-07-16 15:45, Dannydoyle wrote:Many of the routines claim that if you do something magical with the card someone will be more likely to keep it. Mind you no proof of such claims exists, but again they are made.
I am not buying my own line; I was merely responding to that part of your post. You didn't write about getting more work from it; just about whether they might keep it! The fact is, it CAN work, and I have provided examples, as you did, as well. It is not an either/or situation. The best idea is to do BOTH when possible.

As you can see from my posts, I agree with getting their card now, and I agreed with getting their card when Peter wrote it in the previous thread from 2004. (And I knew about the tactic years before that.)

Oh, from the other posted reply,
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DannyDoyle wrote: "Who said business cards didn't work?"
The, "it", that I was referring to when I said that, "it DOES work," was doing something magical/special in your presentation of the card, not giving the card itself. Cards are an absolute necessity!

The need to perform well is a given (and OT, for this thread--though always important). . . If you had a bad day, give them someone else's card. Smile (Just kidding!)

So, to address the topic directly, if you are giving out your card, to do so in a magical or unique manner can increase the likelihood of them holding onto your card. Unless someone is asking you to spend a lot of money for a method to magically produce your card, why even argue the point? It can't hurt, and, in my experience (and yours, Danny) it helps.
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My contention Jester is that it was YOUR PERFORMANCE that made them hold onto the card. Period. IF you performed bad no matter what was on the card, it would be tossed. Direct enough I feel.

And by the way what is ON the card os OT for this thread as well. The topic is PRESENTATION. Something ON it may very well make them keep it and show it and have NOTHING to do with the way it is presented. See the difference?

Why they keep it has nothing to do with how it is presented I guess. Other factors such as performance or a gold mine on it DO however have a huge impact.

I hope that is direct enough
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I use 2 methods I think they both came from Jay sankey's 22 blows to the head. It's mentalism and 1 is psychokenesis but with paper. On the backs of both souveniers is my buisness card. Just an idea.....
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On 2005-07-20 12:20, Dannydoyle wrote:
IF you performed bad no matter what was on the card, it would be tossed. Direct enough I feel.
We agree on this. . . See above ^

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And by the way what is ON the card os OT for this thread as well. The topic is PRESENTATION. . . See the difference?
Yes, but what is on my card, and on the other, are both part of the presentation. Remember, I said that I DID the same, "bit of business. . ." The people in my restaurants talk about the cards related to what I did with them, which then leaves them thinking, and talking to others, about it. This is more than just seeing something on a card.
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Why they keep it has nothing to do with how it is presented I guess. Other factors such as performance or a gold mine on it DO however have a huge impact.
?? Again, unless the issue is paying a lot of money to learn a way to hand them out magically, why not do it magically? You are a magician, so why not present your card magically. You have people holding onto a playing card, because of some special meaning they attach to it, merely because of how they got that card. The card has no info on it. It's a playing card, period. Why not take that some strong reaction, and do it so that they have the magician's contact information on it? If you did the same thing with a business card, they would keep the card because of what you did with it, just like the playing card. Frankly, I fail to see how this can be argued. One way, you do a great performance (which was never in dispute), and you end by magically presenting your card (and you can ask for theirs). In the other, you do a great perfomance, then hand them your card like any other schmo on the street (and you can ask for theirs), which they hand to you with the same lack of magic. I believe that

Sorry, then editing time limit bit me in the back. . .

Cont'd/ I believe that the level to which you involve the spectator in the presentation will influence how much they want to keep the memento, which is your card, in this case.

Mitch, Remember this last part when choosing the effect/s that you will use. The more that they have invested, the more likely they will be to hold onto the card. Merely finishing your set, then showing them a blank card which then becomes printed, which is not connected to them, or to what you have already done, won't be as strong as something that makes that connection.
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Mitch ; wow,lots of ways to do it! can you handle one more? In restaurants I use a modified version of Michaels Close's "You Hue" (Very Very Close Vol.II) I just drop the colored pens, put my name & # on the cards ,all but one which is blank. Benefit:- it lets you show (apparently) both sides of 4 or 5 blank cards twice! then you, it front of them print your name & # on one and print the rest off of that one. Usually table hopping has several people at the table so it lets you leave several cards at the table. looks great! cheers Alan
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