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I haven't used live loads for the cups and balls before. I currently own dwarf hamsters which I've had before being into magic. There are two types, the syrian ones which everyone is probably more familiar with, the golden big one. and the dwarf hamsters.. has anyone worked with either? The dwarf ones are extremelly active, and they seem more suited. for smaller cups. or would the size even matter, because the load is after all hamsters. If I have to, I'll gladly pick up the bigger ones for the regular cups. I plan on doing this for just recreation for now, unless theres a kid show that maybe comes up or something of that sort


How would you load them ? any info pertaining to live loads would help.

And what other live loads would you recommend? besides baby chicks.


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Most of the hamsters I have dealt with have been very aggressive, that is, they had a tendency to bite. Mice work well as live loads. You need heavy cups, though, such as the Phoenix cups. Otherwise, the cups will tend to move around on the table.

I have a friend who claims he used a grass snake for a load in a chop cup.

Basically, you just stick them in there, like you would anything else.

Danny Dew made a special loader for the big cups, but he never marketed it.
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I used to do a Chop Cup routine, in which I loaded a mouse. ("My little helper, which made it all possible") It pretty much feels like loading a little ball, but you have to grab them right, otherwise the wiggle and the tail might be outside the cup.

I stopped doing that because I stopped doing the Chop Cup. So no hamster experience from my side.
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Gazzo has a story about his experience with live loads in his "Street Cups and Balls" book.

The short version is, it killed his hat. Everyone was too interested in the cute little things and payed virtually nothing.
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You really do have to be careful with live loads. Jonny Fox used them at TRF and did well with them, but he put them away once he produced them.

If you leave them out, the people will mob the critters.
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Live loads in cups and balls? yeah I've seen it done, but talk about risky. You have to keep the load "calm" where you have it concealed on you, then calm in your hand, then calm under the cup, and calm on presentation. Considering the amount of training and handling that would take, I'd say most smaller animals aren't really up to it, like Bill suggested, possibly a mouse, but heaven help you if it bolts and gets away. I'd say a lot of trouble and expense for a final effect that isn't that much better than other large surprise loads that don't move, eat, and need their cages cleaned.
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great comments all of you, thank you
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You just have to handle them well so that no animal gets hurt when loaded into the cup. Speaking of live loads, I remember Gali Gali do the cups and balls with eggs and live chicks. He even loads two chicks in one cup.
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And then he would flush them down the toilet after the show was over. They caught him doing that at the Rice Hotel in Houston at the IBM Convention in 1957. He was run off and never invited back.

Ross Bertram handled the chicks much better. So does Johnny Ace Palmer.
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If you are gonna use live loads you want to make sure they are still alive. I have a friend that produced a dead bird. And he lost the audience right then and there. Not a good time to practice you spring puppet act with a dead brid that's for sure!

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A little jolt of electricity, and you could have "The Bride of Frankenstein!" Smile
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Man I didn't know Gali Gali did that to the chicks he uses with the cups and balls. That's a terrible way to dispose of them.
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The clue that the Rice Hotel had was that the toilet kept stopping up.
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On 2005-05-23 17:21, Bill Palmer wrote:
Ross Bertram handled the chicks much better. So does Johnny Ace Palmer.

Once when I was watching Johnny's routine one of the cups began to migrate slowly. Johnny put one finger on top and continued with the routine. For those of us who noticed it, it was pretty funny.
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That also happened on one of his appearances on Dick Clark's variety show. A few people noticed, as evidenced by the stifled giggles. Johnny grinned at Dick briefly, and as S2000 noted, placed his hand on the cup and continued with the routine.

Along those same lines, who remembers the details about a practical joke involving Johnny and some bogus chick noises? Was this at a convention? Was David Williamson somehow involved?
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That was one of the reasons Bertram made the heavy cups. It was to keep the chicks from walking off with the applause. That can be the funniest part of the routine, though.
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Gali gali is one bad dude. he could've at least released them outdoors or something. better than his first option.
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Gali gali could've just donated them to a farm or petting zoo rather than flush it down a toilet.

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On 2005-05-23 17:21, Bill Palmer wrote:
Ross Bertram handled the chicks much better. So does Johnny Ace Palmer.

Once when I was watching Johnny's routine one of the cups began to migrate slowly. Johnny put one finger on top and continued with the routine. For those of us who noticed it, it was pretty funny.


That would be a mentalism act to add in the Cups and Balls routine. Imagine moving a brass cup effortlessly with just the power of your mind. Smile
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I agree with photius. Live losads on a regular basis are probably more trouble than they are worth for a closeup act. Doing them for a specil situation, however, ight be justified. A tv appearance where the camera can zoom in could make it worth while.

Re: Gali Gali, that is a really awful story. If it wasn't Bill telling us I would probably dismiss it. I have met people that have no respect for anything and it is usually suprising (shocking?) when I become aware of thier callus feelings.
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I remember a competition act at the Columbus Magifest, who handled his doves with no regard for the animals. He even left some of his birds in the room, when they flew to the back of the ballroom. People like that give all magicians a bad rap.
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