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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
Paul,
I agree with you totaly. And beside Dear Mr Fantasy, and Card Fictions, I would like to add J.C. Wagner's 7 Secrets, and maybe also Aaron Fisher's Paper Engine.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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ixnay66 Inner circle Denver 1525 Posts |
10-card poker deal, Daley's last trick, 4-Ace trick, Assemblies, Triumph. It sounds like $35 worth of rehashed tricks others have already invented. I think I'll wait until the dust settles to see if I need different versions of all of these.
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bumbleface Elite user 434 Posts |
I will say that while the trick-types are similar to past ideas, Bannon always adds something to make the effects more direct and surprising. This is not simply a "variation" book.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
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On 2005-06-07 14:29, ixnay66 wrote: Don't forget sandwich effect, impossible location, and ace-cutting. If you don't NEED different versions of these tricks now, you won't need them after the dust has settled either. The real question is whether the methods for the classics in DMF are good or whether people just think they're good because they're new. I don't know what to tell you. I've read the entire book and worked through all the effects with cards in hand and that's what I based my review on. I think it's good stuff but, again, if you're already perfectly satisfied with the similar-themed items in your repertoire, then you don't need Dear Mr. Fantasy (or any other specific book, for that matter).
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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Steve Haynes Inner circle Southeastern United States 1119 Posts |
The sandwich effect is just like an effect in james swains book DON'T BLINK,he also has a collectors effect with three selections that uses the same ....
Impossible lotation is my pick of the book,as for the other stuff ,it does have some good handling's of classic plots and if you are pretty new to card magic I would say you will love it. and if you been in it a long time I still think you will enjoy it(i know I did). The only thing I realy did not like was the ace effects at the start of the book. CHEERS |
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
What didn't you like about Bullet Train?
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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anticoin Regular user 194 Posts |
I have read through a few tricks. Although John's way of presenting existing tricks will definitely increase spectator's response, I was hoping for something more creative from him. For example, his version of spectator cuts to the Aces is very similar to the one Bill Malone had in his 'On the Loose' series.
Line of Sight is a standard, common trick with the glimpse, but perhaps the only difference is his presentation using the 'killer's eyes.' There is then the '2 classics' : Dr Daley's last trick and Twisting the Aces. Just a variation of the former one with a block turnover instead of a double turnover, and the position of spectator's hands. I must admit, the tricks in this book is practical in the real world. But judging from his Impossibilia and Smoke & Mirrors book, I would say that there are more creative/original material there compared to DMF. Sure, of course all tricks are modifications of existing tricks. But so far, the tricks I've read are just minor additions/modifications of existing, popular card tricks. This brings me to question, whether it's sufficient to just modify the handling of a trick minimally and publish it in a book. I am a big fan of John Bannon and I have great respect towards him and his magic. His thoughts in the book are brilliant. Hopefully the tricks will get better as I read more of the book. |
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
This still some great items left for you to discover, particularly "Dead Reckoning".
Were you completely unmoved by Bullet Train? It destroyed a room full of guys at TSD4. Most of your gripes seem to be with the material in Chapter 2, which is sort of what I anticipated when I wrote my review. Here are just a couple thoughts in response to your post. First, the point of the 2nd chapter is to teach an entire card routine, not just a series of tricks. The tricks performed in series are stronger than they are individually. For people who want to actually go out and perform for laymen, it's probably the most valuable chapter in the book. However, the individual items themselves are strong. "Line of Sight" is more than just a glimpse and a card revelation. First, it's a GREAT glimpse. Second, it provides the cover that allows John to start with a borrowed shuffled deck and end up in position for his spectator cuts the aces effect (a fact that should not be overlooked). As for the spectator cuts the aces, I hate to tell you this since you've professed to be a big fan of John's work, but you should go back and read Smoke & Mirrors again and then reconsider your comments regarding the "On the Loose" series. "Final Verdict" is John's "final" handling of "Directed Verdict" from Smoke & Mirrors. Smoke & Mirrors came out almost 15 years ago so it would seem more appropriate to say that the effect in "On the Loose" is similar to the one Bannon put in print and not the other way around. Finally, you should reserve judgment on Bannon's reblocking of the Daley trick until you've tried it out on some laypeople. If you do, you'll never again say that Bannon "just" changed the position of the spectators hands. I've found, through actual performance, that Bannon's modifications create much bigger reactions from laypeople. The relaxation that occurs after the gag (those who've read it know what I'm talking about) makes the impact of the transposition much more powerful when it's finally revealed. At any rate, I think I might be starting to come off as the annointed defender of DMF, which I am certainly not. I'm just a guy who read the book, liked it, and would hate to see hasty criticism give the wrong impression as to its merit. Paul
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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anticoin Regular user 194 Posts |
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On 2005-06-08 06:49, Paul Sherman wrote: TSD4? What's that? Another forum?? Anyway I completely agree with you, John's method does bring an extra edge to tricks. Perhaps I was expecting more after the length of time he took to release this book. For those of you who are reading this, by no means am I trying to say the book isn't worth the money. It is. But like what someone mentioned above, it's not a David Regal / Paul Harris type with full on new ideas and creations, but rather a modest book which you can certainly perform to people around you with just a deck of cards. |
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Steve Haynes Inner circle Southeastern United States 1119 Posts |
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On 2005-06-07 22:31, Paul Sherman wrote: I don't think that bullet train is bad,but when I say I don't like it I should have said is (in my opinion)since I have worked on hundreds of four ace effect's is that it is good,but will not make it in to my regular work. I recomend this book and think anybody who calls themselves a cardician(after reading it)will recomend it too..... |
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eryanic Special user 683 Posts |
I took some time to read some of the tricks, skipping here and there...
And so far Beyond Fabulous and Trait Secrets are wonderful..Awesome climax. Diagrams are illustrated when needed to, and explanations are well written too. I believe Final Verdict uses a simpler method and almost no sleights compared to Bill Malone, though Bill Malone's setup is easier. Can't comment on Directed Verdict because I haven't read it yet... But so far, browsing throughout the book...it looks pretty promising! |
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anticoin Regular user 194 Posts |
Paul, I am currently reading the Dead Reckoning chapter, and I have to say, you were right. So far it looks very good. Thanks
One question though, that chapter is written in a narrative story way. Who is "I" in the story? |
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eryanic Special user 683 Posts |
Speaking of Dead reckoning, how do we know if it's 12 or 13? (Those of you who have this book will know what I'm talking bout)
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Anticoin--I have no idea who the "I" is. I assumed it was a fictional 3rd person.
eryanic--I'll PM you
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
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On 2005-06-09 06:02, Paul Sherman wrote: Yes, that is what I thought as well. It's an exellent way to write tho, makes it different to read, like it was a fiction. Imagine a whole magic book written that way.
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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jbadman Special user London 984 Posts |
The style reminded me of Raymond Smullyan's 'The Chess Mysteries of Sherlock Holmes'...
If you like chess and you also enjoy the story format in the Bannon book, get the Smullyan book - I think you'll like it! Jamie.
http://www.underground-collective.com - check out our new DVD now!
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eryanic Special user 683 Posts |
Wow, is it just me, or does Jbadman look like an older Frank Lampard?
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RichHead New user 93 Posts |
Eryanic
I had the same problem. Nor very well explained. You look at card 12 as you ask what their card is. If it's not card 12, then it must be the next card. Just put card 12 down, and show the next card (13). |
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
No, you don't. You never have to look at any cards. You always reveal the card at the same time.
Think about it. The math of the trick doesn't know or care the identity of the card, it just positions it. How could it position it differently based on the # of letters?
"The finished card expert considers nothing too trivial that in any way contributes to his success..." Erdnase
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Free_Mind New user 56 Posts |
After perusing my personalized copy of the book today, I have to say that this is some of John's best writing and material. I have read through Bullet Train and I can not WAIT to try that out on some speckies. I also am eager to try the Power of Poker (the other effect I read through) because it is SO simple and powerful. For those that have it, I will let you know how my performance with prediction goes. I am planning on having a kind of funny ending with some cards that say "You have a full house. (then a flap drops revealing the word 'but')(turn the pair of cards over to reveal...) A Royal Flush beats a full house!" I am planning on making it a prediction effect where the spec is trying to pick himself a winning poker hand out of random cards and I predict what it is only to reveal that the remaining cards are a Royal Flush. I am happy that John (or David) left the "plot" of the trick kind of obscure so readers can be a bit creative with it.
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