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sennheiser New user Germany 68 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2018, lynnef wrote: Its a great trick, but not really an ace assembly. |
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
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On Mar 24, 2018, sennheiser wrote: My bad. It's a 'revelation', but I love it so much, I had to put it in! Other posts, however made me wonder why some don't consider Jazz Aces an assembly! Lynn |
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Rachmaninov Inner circle 1076 Posts |
Steven, your version is very good. What is the palming technique you use for the last two aces ? The gambler’s cop ? You have an unknown mean (to me) to get the card there.
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alexhui Inner circle Hong Kong 1956 Posts |
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On Mar 24, 2018, Harry Lorayne wrote: Hi Mr. Lorayne, What is the next book about? Collection of classic stuffs or mainly new stuffs? I have most of your books and enjoy them indeed. Thank you. Alex Hui Hong Kong
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Hi Alex: Quite a mixture of new stuff, old stuff up-dated, made easier, added to, and so on. Also filling many requests (always bringing them up to date, again made easier, like eliminating perfect faro shuffles, etc.) Requests like the above - Fantastic Ace Assembly.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Mar 25, 2018, Rachmaninov wrote: Yes, it's essentially a gambler's cop. How to get it into and out of it during the performance is in the explanation video. If you sign up for the newsletter (which comes out about once a year, so it's not spam) you'll get the password for the full explanation. If you have any issues getting that password please let me know. And thanks for the positive reaction. It's much appreciated.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
I'm looking to buy material to learn either Dai Vernon's "The Four Blue Backed Aces" or Bruce Cervon's "The Red Backed Aces."
I'd appreciate insights on differences and methods in particular. Which is the easiest in terms of sleights. (I realize we all have different preferences on methods/sleights). I'm assuming the effects look pretty much the same to laymen? I tried to find video performances on-line but couldn't find any. TIA Regards, Phl |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
As an aside, and if you're so inclined, my ace assembly is now located here: https://www.keylmagic.com/product-page/y......bly-yaaa
and can be had for the low low price of $5.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
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On Jun 2, 2023, docguitarman wrote: I'm a big Vernon fan, but I believe Cervon's handling would appear cleaner to laymen. Bruce's method is more sleight-intensive, but it's worth it. The Aces appear to join the leader one at a time after displaying each Ace vanish, and the magician ends with four single Aces face up on the table. In Vernon's version, the vanishes are all executed, then the Aces are shown to have joined the leader. However, when the Aces are first seen to have joined the leader Ace, it's only after the leader packet is placed faceup onto the other twelve face up cards. They are then immediately spread with that whole chunk of cards below. However, those 12 indifferent cards are subsequently tabled, and the Aces turned face down to display their backs to finish. Unfortunately, the faces cannot be shown during this display. Also, while a buckle count is fine within a routine, requiring four to pass as one during a final display is not ideal. The biggest problem I see with Vernon's version is that the final image the audience has of the Aces is face down, in addition to the fact that there isn't a good reason to continue holding the indifferent cards while displaying the Aces - it only serves to facilitate the method. Certainly you could restructure the handling to make it cleaner, but this was just based on the exact write up of each effect. Ultimately I'd suggest studying both, but if you can only pick one, go with Cervon's. T.J. |
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ajb6864 Special user Greece 637 Posts |
I'm not a particular fan of ace assemblies, but my favourite of the genre is 'Ultimate Aces' from 'The Immaculate Card Magic Of Walt Lees'. If I remember correctly, it was an improved version of his earlier assembly, 'My Blue Ac-es' from Pabular.
Like everything of Walt's it is well thought through. |
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Chris Aguilar Special user 540 Posts |
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On Jun 3, 2023, Steven Keyl wrote: Really nice! I love the way you use the extra card to decoy the palm off of the last two aces. Normally I hate the "let's actually palm the aces across" type approache (e.g. Jennings horrible "Aces for Experts") but yours really works. |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Jun 4, 2023, ThomasJ wrote: Thank you, Thomas. I bought World's Gretest Magic DVD Ace Assemblies Vol. 1 and then on your advice also purchased "Further Inner Secrets" which had been on my lybrary wish list for a long long time! I like Cervon's better. My magic jam partner had performed the Cervon routine which is what piqued my interest and my question. I thought Cervon's alternative Elmsley looked strange to me, but now I know a normal Elmsley works fine! Phil |
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
You're welcome. When you say "alternative Elmsley", do you mean when he shows the second card now has a red back in the leader pile?
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2023, ThomasJ wrote: Not sure now! I'll have to look to see when he did it. But it is what he called his alternate Elmsley handling-- which he said we might find useful in other situations. The top card is spread to the right with left thumb, showing two cards, then he reaches under the top card (jogged to the right) to pull out the bottom card. Then proceeds as in a normal EC. It is the reaching under the top card (spread to the right) with the right hand fingers that looks weird to me. My question when I saw it was "Why?" Hope that description makes sense ! Phil |
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
Hi Phil, I don’t recall that handling being in Cervon’s write up. Perhaps it was a poorly executed Elmsley or misunderstanding of the mechanics described in the book.
Best, TJ |
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Axelchen Elite user Germany 413 Posts |
Hi Phil, hi Thomas,
I think his variation is mentioned on the Ultra Cervon videos. In the write up I think to remember to use regular Jordan Counts but on the videos he uses the handling Phil has described above so the Jordan Count is more of an Elmsley Count...I like that handling really better than the normal Jordan Count Technique. All the best, Axel Edit: Just checked the video, funny thing, he indeed uses the "strange" handling at the beginning to show the red backed aces...and doesn´t use it with the Jordan Counts!...But you can adopt his Elmsley Technique also to the Jordan...and to me, like I wrote above, it works mre easily as the normal Jordan Count Technique. In the write up Cervon describes normal Elmsley Count. Axel |
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ThomasJ Special user Chicago 999 Posts |
Axel, thank you for the clarification. I only have the Ultra Cervon book, so I was not familiar with the handling in the videos. Appreciate you clearing it up.
Phil, apologies for underestimating your jam buddy! Cheers |
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docguitarman Special user Thousand Oaks, California 888 Posts |
Hi Thomas and Axel,
Cervon uses the alternate Elmsley on the "World's Greatest Magic" DVD. Thomas, no need to apologize for underestimating my jam buddy! Regards, Phil |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Jun 4, 2023, Chris Aguilar wrote: Thanks, Chris! Much appreciated.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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