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evanthx
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And by the way, I heard after the trial Michael Jackson was seen running into Target ... he heard boy's underwear was half off.
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On 2005-06-15 08:50, evanthx wrote:
For celebs who went to jail...Rob Lowe, Martha Stewart, Robert Downey Jr, Sean Penn, Christian Slater come to mind...


Hey evanthx, do I really need to post a list? Is there enough bandwith? Those paltry examples you've given were giant exceptions, and in some cases they plead guilty. Don't be silly. Jayson Williams would be a good case to take a look at for this phenomenon.

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What's the point of having a jury decide based on the evidence they've heard when so many people still believe they know better than the jury and he's guilty anyway?

One of the jurors has said he thinks Jackson may have molested children but the prosecution failed to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. That's about all any of us can say. I certainly wouldn't let my kids sleep over at Neverland but I can't possibly say that he has ever done anything more than what he has admitted to (ie sharing a bed in an innocent fashion).
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Muhammad Ali went to jail for refusing to kill people!
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Jacko is wacko , it disturbs me greatly that he was found not guilty. Just the fact he admits to sharing a bed with young boys shows he has a problem. The man needs counciling and should never be alone with or near a child, just my opinion but I say fry him
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Muhammad Ali went to jail for refusing to kill people!


Where did he serve his jail sentence?
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Actally..he didn't go to jail, but said he was prepared to. He was fined and had his heavyweight belt taken from him.

One of the Greatest American Role models if ever there was.I remember staying up until the early hours to listen to his fights on the radio back in the 60's.

Jacko ..take note from him ..you could learn.

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I know he didn't Howard. Just wanted to help clear up a misconception.

As far as Jackson, he's a free man. The prosecution didn't prove their case. The case they presented was a mess. Dosen't change anything in my mind. He's free. I still believe he was found "not guilty by reason of celebrity" but he was found not guilty just the same. I have no respect for him but that's just me. There are enough FACTS that came out in that trial to disgust me. That it didn't rise to the level of the charges in the eyes of the jury dosen't really matter to me. I have formed my own opinions about the man. I live in the world of what is, not what isn't.

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Last nite on CNN I saw the "new" Ronald McDonald talking about how he's now all about fitness, and he's got a new look that allows him to run and play and be active with the kids.

Funny how one clown can get away with it while the other gets tried.


And another thing, after M.J., O.J. and Coby Bryant (sp?) you know the last person in the world you want to be is the next black celebrity by charged with something. Whoever, whenever, they're going to throw the book at him/her.
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Jacko is a Smooth Criminal.
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And another thing, after M.J., O.J. and Coby Bryant (sp?) you know the last person in the world you want to be is the next black celebrity by charged with something. Whoever, whenever, they're going to throw the book at him/her.




Wanna bet? You pick the trial.
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I don't even know what to say........wait.....Jacko is wacko as he believes that David Blaine and Uri Geller are the "real thing". One of those fellas must have taught MJ how to make a guilty verdict disappear! Oh well, life moves on!
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I was thinking about this last night and I think I finally realized why I don't believe Celebs are just getting off due to their celebrity status. I've known several folks who went to court. Of everyone I've known, no one has yet gone to jail. I know one idiot who embezzled money, for example. They had a pile of proof, video, you name it. They arrested him, then just never had the trial. No court dates, no word, nothing. I have no idea why not. That sort of thing seems to happen a LOT.

So a lot of celebs probably get treated the same way...but I guess the reason I don't think they are being treated well is that everyone else I know that's gone to court gets treated the same way. I'm not saying if you go to court you'll get off easily, but my personal experience is that a fewer percentage folks that are accused or have trials go to jail than most folks realize. Or at least in my experience, that has proven surprisingly true. But I suspect most of my acquaintences who are going to court aren't getting written up in Entertainment Weekly, so the only time you really see what happens is when a celebrity hits the court system.
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Yeah you're right evanthx, there's no one in jail. Keep on keepin' on.

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I didn't say that and you know it, Vandy. Smile
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Yeah,Yeah. I know what you're saying. I don't want to argue with and possibly insult you over something like the Michael Jackson case. I through with it. It's all good.

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I guess I should explain more...it really shocks me to see what has happened to the folks I know. The guy that embezzled - he's guilty as sin and they have so much evidence against him that a trial should be easy. But ... it just didn't happen. That's the most flagrant thing I've seen, admittedly, but I've known several folks who have done stupid things and no one has gone to jail. I have to add that none of them have committed violent crimes, and there are no major repeat offenders.

But while I originally thought that if you did a crime and got caught you'd go to jail, personal experience does tell me that it's not NEARLY that simple. You can dismiss it and call it rationalization all you want, but that doesn't change what I've seen. I was actually kind of upset that there was no court case for that embezzler - there really SHOULD have been.

I'm not saying and I didn't say that no one goes to jail, so if you don't believe me at least disbelieve what I'm actually saying and not some straw-man argument. I am saying that more folks walk than I ever would have believed, and that the reason I say this is because that is what I have seen happen.

But enough said on my part about that.
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I posted my second message before I saw your response, Vandy...gotta add I'm talking not about Jackson or pedophilia here, just about small crimes in general.
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Frankly I don't know where to start. So I'll let your posts do the talking;

"But I think its a shame that the sexual preditor was let off." (Guess the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' doesn't mean anything to you.)

"Jacksons sexual problems are such that I would never in my right mind EVER let any of my kids 'Spend the night' with M. Jackson." (You seem to have the inside scoop on MJ's sex life. Why is that?)

"If I was inocent of that accusation I would have paid much more to clear my name in a court of law." (You need to read up on similar cases like the 'McMartin' trials and the 'Green Acres Fells' case. If you are ever accused (falsely or not) of something like this your life will be destroyed.)

"Innocent"?!? No, Michael, you were "Not Guilty". (Once again. In America the legal point that takes precedence is you are innocent until proven guilty. Seems like you have fallen for a lot of propaganda like a lot of the idiots on this thread. Of course this post will probably be delted because it isn't nice to call you an idiot but its okay to call MJ a 'child molester.')

"before our system, innocent people were falsly accused. Thus, the founding fathers setup this system to prevent that from happening." (This comment really shows a high level of ignorance. I'm curious - Do you really believe that our "system" prevents false accusations from occuring?)

"The man needs counciling and should never be alone with or near a child, just my opinion but I say fry him" (What can I say? This speaks for itself.)

"Funny how one clown can get away with it while the other gets tried." (Funny but still just mindless propaganda being furthered by the 'public.' Do you know what a 'whispering campaign' is?)

"I live in the world of what is, not what isn't." (Really? You must be truly enlightened to know what is and what isn't. Maybe you should stop smoking the ganja.)

Sincerely,

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