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Justin McWilliams 1983 - 2005 New Jersey 157 Posts |
I'm looking around on the net to get a new cups and balls set, the one I have I'd like to replace, keep for practice and use a another set for performance only. My thing is I'd like a new cup style, but am afraid of not liking the feel. Only option for new cups is to go on the net.
I know when magic is sold, they are selling the secret, cups and balls there is no secret to figure out. You have learn a routine and moves to use the cups. I'm wondering if anybody has heard of being able to pay for cups and sending back if the feel wasn't right. if the dealer has several cups on there site you try a different set (sending more money or less of course if it's more or less expensive) In short I want the cups but have to make sure they are right for me.
Hey I'm a magician, i've never told a lie.....oops:o/
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BSutter Special user Sitting on a pile of 582 Posts |
You might consider getting in contact with local Magic clubs (I.B.M, S.A.M, etc.) the people involved will indeed have cups you could look at and probably handle. Another option is attending a Magic Convention or two and get to meet the makers of the cups.
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
Justin, an easy rule of thumb is usually "heavier is better" and "copper looks best" Some may argue with you on this, but not many.
Most inexpensive cups may run the risk of disappointing you, even though they all work. After all it's just a cup, right? What kind of cups do you have now? Do you perform indoors or outdoors? Formal or casual? Comedy or serious? There are styles that suit each venue. You wouldn't want to perform at a formal banquet in a tux with beat up street cups, nor would you want engraved, gold plated cups on the street. Jumbo cups are hard to use close up, and small cups don't show well to large audiences. I'd expect to pay at least $50 or more. Anything less is probably not going to make you happy for very long. Once you reach the $200 mark a whole world of possibilities open up. If you buy from a maker rather than a dealer, you may be able to negotiate a return policy. When I bought my cups from Gary Animal he made me such an offer. At that price, they want you to be happy. I would suggest visiting http://www.cupsandballsmuseum.com and have a look around. Search these forums too. It seems Cups and Balls is one of the hottest topics here. So hot in fact that it's been suggested we create a separate forum just for C&B people.
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Justin McWilliams 1983 - 2005 New Jersey 157 Posts |
I should really pay my dues and get back to the magic club again. I haven't gotten around to it because of work, but I'll start talking to my boss, and ask him if I can get my fourth Wednesdays back
Also as far as cheap sets, the one I'm using now, I've had for about nine years now, and they were the cheap set, spun aluminum, 24 bucks. But I'd like to move up so I'm open to new things. Thank you for your advice
Hey I'm a magician, i've never told a lie.....oops:o/
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Justin:
If you have any questions at all about specific sets of cups, just ask. You can PM me or send me an e-mail. The fellows at the Café will tell you that I am easily accessible. When selecting a set of cups, there are two questions you need to answer first -- How big a final load do you want to produce? How much are you willing to pay? There are cups of virtually every size available for almost every budget. Generally, if you want a heavy copper set, you will have to pay at least $200 or so for it. There are a few exceptions, of course -- the Phoenix cups being a notable example. But even then, the original price on those cups was $200 - $240 a set. So, drop by the museum, look at the cups, ask questions.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
If you have any magicians near by, look at some of their cups. Pete Biro was nice enough to let me take a look at his set of Sherwoods. I felt just like you.
If you are looking for a new style cup, and are not going to use them, unless you are performing, and you are going to use your current set for practice, then you are going to be using a different cup then you have ever practiced with. I urge you to practice with the set of cups you would be using. Unless you buy two sets of one particular cup, and then practice with one, and perform with the other.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
This is absolutely true. If you have a set that is radically different from your practice set, you may have trouble performing.
If your pracice set is one of the sets from Bazar di Magia, you could probably get by using a Bazar Copper set or a Bazar Brass set. If you practice over a carpeted area, you probably won't damage the cups the first time you drop them.
"The Swatter"
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Kent Wong Inner circle Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 2458 Posts |
The fact that you are looking towards a different shape of cup is going to cause you some adjustment difficulties anyways. No matter what cup you get, it's going to feel different.
I would suggest that you take a good look at Bill Palmer's museum page to learn about the different types of cups available. If you really are concerned about the feel, try talking your local brick & mortar store into getting in a few different sets. After all, that is one of the real advantages of a real store. Kent
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I don't understand why the only option for you for new cups is the internet. There are magic shops all over the east coast.
"The Swatter"
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Justin McWilliams 1983 - 2005 New Jersey 157 Posts |
Mr. Palmer, first of all I just realized who you are, you own cups and balls museum. Thank you for sparking an intrest in cups and balls again. I saw your site and I fell in love.
I went to my local magic shop. Only thing that Jean will stock is Morrisey cups and balls (found out what brand I have) closest place I can get to is Tannen's unfortunately I can't drive. So that is out. I'm partial to the Johnson cups. I know that's probably far different then what I'm used to. Also I'd like to pick up a set of mini cups. I was looking at the penguin cups. those things looked to darned small to work with. What's out there that I can get I like the size of the royal plastic cups, but I want something in metal. (P.S.) I have a set of Black Resin or plastic, (not sure what they are made of)cups around that I didn't see on your site. The are very short, but can hold a decent sized load. a stack of three only comes as high as two morriseys If you're interested PM me. It's my way of saying thank you for advice, and bearing with me. (A little pain in the neck)Also I think you might have more appreciation than I would would this set. I can find more info, I think I have the box around too that I can send. I have to find it I just looked at the site under mini's I think these cups are about two inches tall. they are similar to the Black beauties in appearance no rings around them but a ridge, and the top is more recessed.
Hey I'm a magician, i've never told a lie.....oops:o/
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
The Johnson cups are a good choice, but for the same price, I think I would go with the Rings and Things Monti cups. The Johnsons will last you though. You are pretty safe with them.
Avoid the Penguin cups like the plague. They are too heavy and the interior is really bad looking. I don't know what kind of plastic cups you have. If you have a digital camera, send me a photo, please. Bill
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Justin McWilliams 1983 - 2005 New Jersey 157 Posts |
I'll take a pic of them, if you don't have that set, I'll be more that happy to send you a set
Hey I'm a magician, i've never told a lie.....oops:o/
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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
For a few dollars more that set of Johnson cups 'could' be a set of smooth Sherwood's. I mention this because a friend still kicks himself for not saving the extra money for a Sherwood set when he bought his Johnson cups. You may want to consider this when making up your mind on what to buy; for most the few hundred dollars is a one time investment for a set of cups. If your already waiting to get that "perfect" set, what's a little more time? The additional money is worth the investment and isn't that much more.
Study Bills cups and balls museum, as well as RNT2's website before buying. Make a list of prices, cup dimensions, weight, and stacking ability. Decide which design and finish that you prefer. Besides these resources there have been many, many discussions here on the Café about the pro's and con's of different cups in the last few years. One could easily spend an entire weekend reading just from a simple search on the Café's search engine. MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
I finally bought my Sherwoods after two months of changing my mind and what not. I figured, well, no matter what good set of cups I will buy, it is going to be over $200, I am going to have this set for the rest of my life. What's the extra $75 for the Sherwoods? so I got them, and am *** happy. Definately look at James Riser's site. I am amazed no one has said this. I believe he has 4 styles of cups that he makes, and sells: Mini, Standard, Traditional, and Jumbo. These are all in copper, but I think he might start making some aluminums too. Besides selling cups, he also has a link to very nice page that is a "how-to" on buying cups. I looked there a lot, and it played a big role in me buying the Sherwoods.
Good luck! http://www.jamesriser.com http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/JamesRiserMagic.html (cup selecting page:) http://www.jamesriser.com/Cups/SelectingCups.html
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I'm interested in the riser jumbos.
his cups are excellent. I have a set of his mini cups.
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I have one of each style made by Riser and Sherwood. I also own cups by Biro, RnT, RnTII, Blackwood, Mikame, Ravel, Morrisey, Johnson, and Adesso Verlag. If I could only have one set it would be Smooth Copper Sherwoods, on the other hand the best Cup value I have ever found is offered by Adesso Verlag at: http://www.adessoverlag.com/main.htm
The offerings found here are complete. I really like The Laurie Ireland Memorial Copper Cups and Balls Set. The set is a complete performance kit including Cups, Manipulation Balls, Final Load Balls, Close Up Pad, Wand, Printed Routine, and a Drawstring Bag. The most bang for the buck I have found. Bill |
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