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Ryan Matney
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How many of you guys enjoy reading and performing self-working card tricks? Do any of you collect them or perform this sort of card magic exclusively? By this I mean, tricks without any sleights what-so-ever such as Karl Fulves and Jim Steinmeyer write.
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No. I don't usually like them in the least.
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Well there are some tricks I use which depend on VERY little sleight of hand and I like performing these but I still have to come across a trick with no sleights at all which I like.
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If I did self-working tricks how would I be different from someone's Uncle Bob doing card tricks? Remember: Don't do card tricks, Do Card Magic!
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I have one, and I do it as an interlude between 2 sandwich tricks I do.
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I have done "Royal Wedding" which I learned in a Frank Garcia book. Otherwise, I am not too partial to self-working tricks.
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On 2005-06-25 03:52, Jeremy L. wrote:
If I did self-working tricks how would I be different from someone's Uncle Bob?


Easy, your presentation.

I recently made a thread about a similar subject. The only one I do is Do As I Do. I've got Hugards Encyclopedia, and it has a whole section devoted to self-working tricks, but they mainly rely on the "locator card" principle as in Do As I Do. In the thread I started there are numerous tricks mentioned that may be of interest to you.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......2&33

As far as doing "magic" instead of tricks, I enjoy the respect given me when it becomes apparent that I am skilled in sleight of hand. I'll leave the "magic" to you.
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On 2005-06-25 03:52, Jeremy L. wrote:
If I did self-working tricks how would I be different from someone's Uncle Bob doing card tricks? Remember: Don't do card tricks, Do Card Magic!



The answer to your question is by presenting it in an entertaining and professional manner, in a way you Uncle Bob wouldn't. Many magicians on this forum seem to take a somewhat pompous stand to so called 'self working card tricks', but surely the only criteria most performing magicians should need is to entertain their audience. For a lot of magicians 'self workers' are much more difficult because they rely heavily on the presentational aspect of magic. Of course there are a lot of not so good self workers out there, but there are also a lot of gems. You're just not looking hard enough.
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For me, there is no distinction between Self-working tricks and otherwise.

I think, principles, sleights, subtlety, patters, presentaions, etc are all components to be combinded in one framing to produce a magical effect.

Bordeaux wine is produced by combining four different vine, Caberne Souvinion, Melrot, Caberne Fran and Peti-verdo. The difference of combination produce different taste.

If your magic is produced only by a mathematical principle, or by one single sleight, it is like to serve wine of single vine. It is very easy to guess the vine.

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Premonition by Bob Solari is a very good self working card trick. I'm not much into card tricks and only have a couple, but Premonition is a good one.
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OK then here is an odd question.

Once you get the Tamariz, Aronson, Osterlind etc down cold, there are things that you can do that require no sneaky movements with your hands. In other words, you're using your brain & eyes, but no sleight of hand is required to determine a chose card - you just glance at the card above openly.

Does this count as "self working", because although you had to do work to get the stack down, it doesn't involve sleights.

If so, then yes I enjoy sleight-free tricks.
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Yes, I agree that presentation and manner make you different from Uncle Bob. And back to the original question, the only I do is also "do as I do". Self-working, works fine every time.
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Strong and powerful self working trick , look at P Harris Overkill, a real killer. No sleight at all, all magic is in presentation as it should be. In my verison , I place the prediction card at the 31st position, makes the effect even more powerful. Overkill may be found in P Harris AoA and M Ammar ETMCMC vol 2
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On 2005-06-25 08:06, Hideo Kato wrote:
For me, there is no distinction between Self-working tricks and otherwise.

I think, principles, sleights, subtlety, patters, presentaions, etc are all components to be combinded in one framing to produce a magical effect.

I think you are absolutely spot on with that.
The magic is in the performer not in the trick or the sleight. I Love (and I may not be right with the name here) Matched picture cards by Nick Trost from the Card magic of Nick Trost (and I think a version of it is in a CC volume somewhere). Took me a while to get the presentation down because I always thought that it was just TOO easy to perform, but after a re-think and some presentation work I love it and it's become one of my favourite effects
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I do it not becuase of the ease in performing since there are no sleights involved but because I can concentrate more on improving my patter.
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On 2005-06-25 08:06, Hideo Kato wrote:
For me, there is no distinction between Self-working tricks and otherwise.

I think, principles, sleights, subtlety, patters, presentaions, etc are all components to be combinded in one framing to produce a magical effect.

I think you are absolutely spot on with that.
The magic is in the performer not in the trick or the sleight. I Love (and I may not be right with the name here) Matched picture cards by Nick Trost from the Card magic of Nick Trost

Matched Picture Cards by Nick Trost is one of my favorite "self" working effects.
Some of Nick Trosts effects which are excellent and use sublety as opposed to sleights are in his book ,
1 - Matched Picture Cards pg 49
2 - Intuition pg 161
3 - Subtle Loctaion pg 137
This book is loaded with gems, why is it the majority on this post do not like self working effects, I have to quote one of the great mentalist's , Ted Annemann " The effect is the important thing , how you achieve it is not"
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On 2005-06-26 21:55, Rennie wrote:
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On 2005-06-26 21:00, blueboy7948 wrote:
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On 2005-06-25 08:06, Hideo Kato wrote:
For me, there is no distinction between Self-working tricks and otherwise.

I think, principles, sleights, subtlety, patters, presentaions, etc are all components to be combinded in one framing to produce a magical effect.

I think you are absolutely spot on with that.
The magic is in the performer not in the trick or the sleight. I Love (and I may not be right with the name here) Matched picture cards by Nick Trost from the Card magic of Nick Trost

Matched Picture Cards by Nick Trost is one of my favorite "self" working effects.
Some of Nick Trosts effects which are excellent and use sublety as opposed to sleights are in his book ,
1 - Matched Picture Cards pg 492 - Intuition pg 161
3 - Subtle Loctaion pg 137
This book is loaded with gems, why is it the majority on this post do not like self working effects, I have to quote one of the great mentalist's , Ted Annemann " The effect is the important thing , how you achieve it is not"
Rennie
To those who do not like self-working effects..."you're missing out on a lot of good stuff". I love card magic and must agree with Katosan...I see no distinction in self working card effects and otherwise. Kudos to Nick Trost!
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Looks to me like the majority is siding with the self working card effects...
I think that is great, why make your job harder when in most cases you can accomplish a difficult effect with ease ?
Makes no sense why it should be a knucklebuster when you are able to concentrate on your presentation..
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There are a scary large number of magicians on this site who judges a trick not by the effect, but by the work behind the effect.

Uncle Bob's tricks is often presented as tricks, and is therefore percieved only as tricks. He is - after all - only Uncle Bob. Present the trick as magic, and it will be far better than the same effect presented by Uncle Bob.

Judge a effect on it's reactions, not skills.

I know many tricks where I only have to do a little peak, or a tiny sleight to get it off - and very often is this the kinds of tricks that fry the specators. The fact that is has been done so open in your hands, right in front of them...

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Please don't go and do something silly such as picking up a copy of the Trost book. That Intuition trick isn't worth a second glance at all.

I agree with T. Joseph O'Malley's post above that learning a stack, in a sense, makes for sleight free magic.
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