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I know this has been discussed before. I think that the last one is out dated and there are new products on the market. I have a dove pocket and I have been searching for about two weeks one invisible dove harness. I need the Café's help in deciding on a harness. I am considering the Ice McDonald or Tony Clark. What is the Café's opinion on these harnesses?
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Get either Tony Clark's or Andy Amyx's version: http://www.tonyclarkmagic.com or http://www.andyamyx.com . They're already not a safe prop to use as it is, and inexperienced bird handlers should think it over many times and question their skill level before trying to pull off too complex of productions with them. I'd recommend starting out with something simple like a dove split. You also have to consider where you're going to put your pocket in your jacket depending on what production you're going to do. Invisible harness productions don't have to be yanked out and jerked around. They can be done slow. The faster productions with less cover, ie dove on cane, should have the pocket closer to the opening of the jacket and similar modifications need to be done, you'll also want so suck in your stomach and chest when you're stealing them out to allow for more room to open and less pressure and drag on the dove.
Then once you have an idea of what you want to do as far as producing the dove you should practice the moves in slow motion without the dove and consider the inertia and changing of direction of motion that is going to happening to the dove. You don't want to give it whiplash or injure it's wings, feet, or chest plate. These are just a few basic things that even get overlooked by top professionals. It goes much deeper, but I'm sure you get the idea. Just please be careful, they really are not safe, however if proper training and practice as well as critial thinking of the production are taken into consideration, you can end up with a nice piece of magic.
You'll want an invisible harness with wider ribbon, this creates more surface area of stress to be spread out over the bird. The thinner the ribbon, the less surface area so more stress is ususally applied directly under their wings and you can seriously bruise them. Good luck and stick with the names above, I don't trust any others out there.
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Go with the tony clark dove harness.
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I personally like Andy Amyx's harness better. I also think that Andy's is easier to put on the dove than Tony's is. Both are good and will work fine but I just prefer Andy's harness.
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What is the difference? I only have tony clarks and a few others (stinkers) but I havent used andys yet.
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The material used is better for the birds feathers/skin.. and as previously stated the thicker the material used, the better it is for the bird. Relate it to parasailing (sp?).. you are in a full body harness being jolted forward IE. Ace Ventura When Nature calls.. lol.. Now the harness is thick, almost a full body harness, to prevent injury to any specific area. Now imagine if the harness were only as thick as a belt, and you being jolted forward as fast as a bird is yanked out of the pocket. That's pretty much the jist.

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Thanks. so ady amyxes is better and wider for the birds?
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I would take Tony b4 Andy's .. but Andy's are awesome as well..
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I went with the tony clark's. They fit my bird perfect.

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Just be careful as with any harness when putting the harness on and bird as well as taking it off. They are notorious for pulling feathers, especially with the velcro. Go slow and keep a firm grip on the bird to make sure it doens't hurt itself. If it throws a fit just let it relax and continue to take it off. They will eventually get used to the whole process.
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I use Tony Clark, They fit my bird good.
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Can you use the dove harnes for other small objects, like a miniature baby bottle ??
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I suppose you could but they are designed specifically to go around the birds upper body and legs. They are also white by nature and the object you are producing would have to be white as well to hide it.
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Besides what Dave refered to, what makes a dove production work, is the bird actually, helps. He stands up, flaps his wings, hops onto your finger.

You can't make a bottle do that!

There are some bottle productions, Al Cohen use to sell a classic, bottle from newspaper, it uses a sort of harness for the bottle. Many of the current models use misdirection and you actually pull the bottle into appearence.

The trick called "This" is the easiest way to produce a bottle from 3 scarves. It is priced right at $20 on the internet at some sites.
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I haver created my own design . I have no intetion of releasing it to the market but I would like to share it with you guys I ll thik of a way ill try to take some photos .in eorope dove wokers were so surprised they wanted to steel it arkadio said that is the one we should all use (he is one of the best dove workers in spain ) .
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"this" is a great way to produce a bottle but magic maniac was asking about a mini baby bottle. That would be too small for "this" Of course you could probable adapt a smaller version of it to fit the size object you are using.
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Hi,
Here are my 2 cents. I had a general grant one, a Tony Clark one and a Andy Amyx one... I never ever used the other two but Andy's I have used for at least 10 years. There is no other one that I would consider using...plus he is easily reached for help! His training is superb!!! Not saying anything bad about anyone else... Just from my experience! I would not think twice about any other dove product period!!!!
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Having spent a part of my life as the magician for brewery, for productions as small as a bottle of beer, the only part of dove gimmicks I used was the pocket.

For a really small bottle, like a large salt shaker, use a sleeve load and the method Johnny Thompson uses for a dove production. Still an invisible dove harness is not required.

Personally, I use my egg dropper for producing small items like that. (Snickers bar, box of cards, camera, cell phone, can of fruit juice, light bulb, bottle of aspirin, hank of rope, lemon, etc.) That way they can be handed out CLEAN! Why have something to ditch?

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The invisible dove harness is just cruel. Please consider the animal and just look at the doves when they are produced. I love the effect of the splitting doves and admire Mr Gabriel and Mr Ferwin but take good look at their videos/movies. The doves look tired and stressed.

Think about how you would feel if somone attached a harness to you and yanked you out of a sack. All the pressure and weight of the bird is taken out on their wings. And they need their wings to fly. Again, think about being pulled out of a sack by your arms.

There is a solution and one that I will be including on my new video of dove magic, but in the name of cruelty I wish to reveal it now. It's also not my idea, but one that is based on Mr Electric's/Roy's hip-steal that is also described in the Magic of Alan Wakeling or on the Mr Electic video produced by Steven's magic.

Use your assistant to take the produced doves off stage. After a production or two, he/she returns with a dove loaded by their side (lets say it's their left side. They take a dove from the magician with their free right hand. As the two hands come together, they make the split as the assistantb turns to face the audience. It's important the assistant acts surprised so to emphasise the magic was caused by the magician

This is accented by the magician, who makes the splitting motion wit his/her hands. This also looks great if the dove was produced from a silk and the dove and the silk split in two.

If the dove was produced from newspaper, you rip the paper in two and the assistant splits the dove.

This has worked very well for me over the years and my doves are always happy and healthy.

Please please throw your invisible harness away before an animal rights group becomes aware of this and all magicians are banned from using live animals.
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Think about how you would feel if somone attached a harness to you and yanked you out of a sack. All the pressure and weight of the bird is taken out on their wings. And they need their wings to fly. Again, think about being pulled out of a sack by your arms.


That is a key comment. If you are "yanking" your doves out of the pocket with an invisible harness, you are doing it all wrong. There should never be a yank. The loop or line to the dove should be taunt before the production. Pulling the loop will slide the dove out of the pocket. If there is slack in your loop or line, you will be yanking it and that's is what may hurt the dove.

The problem is that most magicians don't think about that and the result is one of pulling rather than sliding. There is nothing wrong with an IVH if handled properly.
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