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Dade Wilder
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Just got the book, browsed through it a few times and am now preparing to memorize the deck. I don't think I can do it his way, but I'm planning on memorizing the deck through Harry Lorayne wording system, you know the c*t,ca* ,*omb thing! My question is that do you think it will slow down the process, by that I mean somebody naming a card then I'll have to remember the word then the position of that word, then find it.

If anyone can understand this, then any replies would be appreciated

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Certainly not. As long as you learn the words for each card, then the words for each position then match them up, and finally practise naming the card for any given position and the postition number for any given card. It's this final bit that is really important.

When working with a mem deck, you shouldn't still be using those mnemonics. They are only there to help you remember things in the first place.

I hope this makes sense, and good luck.

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My opinion is different. I first learned Aronson's stack using the sort of thing you're refering to. It never "switched over" in my head. I always had to use the images to recall the cards. It definitely slowed me down. I admit I'm a hobbyist, so I wasn't using the stack full time, and maybe that's why the transition didn't occur to the point where I simply knew the #s.

I used the methods that Tamariz described and it worked for me, and fairly quickly. It worked for me because his methods seem more direct. The major complaint is that if you forget something you have no "backup" system in place. Have you ever forgotten the alphabet, your phone #, etc? If you learn something solidly enough, you won't forget it, as long as you use it.

Why do you think Tamariz's methods wouldn't work for you?
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I agree with Flying Magus. Eventually (sometime after memorizing the stack) the system of mnemonics "went away" and I didn't immediately think of the images associated with each card.

I'll be honest and say I didn't think the complete dropping of the mnemonics would happen...even though Simon Aronson and Michael Close both said it would; and they were right.
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Good question.....I used it and worked perfect well.


Why do you think Tamariz's methods wouldn't work for you?
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In another mem deck thread on here, someone suggested memorizing the cards one suit at a time. I did this, and it took less than a week for me to get the whole deck confidently. I started out writing the stack number (BIG) on the back of every card, then separating out the suits. I'd look at each spade, front and back, saying the card name and stack number aloud several times. Then go to the next card, saying that several times. Then I'd review both cards. Add a third card and review all three. Once I got to the end of the suit, I'd shuffle the cards of that suit, go through them face up and see how many stack numbers I still remembered, and just keep reviewing until I could get them all. The next day I reviewed all of the spades ones, then went through the same process with the hearts.

Day 3 I shuffled the spades and hearts together and reviewed them. I made sure to go through face up and name the stack number, then shuffle and go through face down, looking at the stack number and naming the card. Day 4 I learned the Clubs, Day 5 the Diamonds, then spent a couple of days reviewing the whole deck.

Won't work for everyone (probably no single method would), but it worked much better for me than plodding through the deck in order did.

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