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Nosher
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Here's my movie idea :

Old man's grandson in auto accident-kid survives(just)but buckets of money required for surgery/rehab and this will bankrupt family. Old man rings friends (all in 70s/80s) and they have dinner - he asks about a big game - we find out they are all retired card guys (one gal) - his friends tell him that since poker moved into the casinos - big games hard to find - and that Carelli(mob)game is only one left. He says he'll play - his friends tell him he's too old, he'll get made - he says he's still got it. Someone produces a deck, turns over top card (7C), and places it front of old man. He turns card face down, someone else cuts deck burying 7C, he picks it up deck,squares it briefly, and deals 7C face up. This looks FLAWLESS to us (audience),but he looks up and one by one friends tell him "Sorry...".

Someone pipes up they have been showing a magician "a coupla things" - everyone looks at him - "no real stuff - like the stuff we showed that 'other guy'" - he says the magicguy has promise and just might make it...... Magician agrees and is relentlessly trained for a month - turns out each person at table has speciality hop,seconds,pegging,bottoms,stack,tells,odds etc........Eventually day of game arrives, magician is prounounced ready by group....big moment comes in game - magician freezes, too scared, loses stake money into bargain

Tragedy! - someone half-suggests "What about The Kid? He's been seen"..No-one believes it - Kid was best there ever was - but disappeared 25 years ago - discussion ensues...The Kid turns out to be 50 now, they approach him but as soon as he hears name Carelli - he's shakin..turns out he was beaten BADLY when caught by Carelli senior years ago. He shows his hands - practically claws. They apologise and got to leave but he says "Wait". He looks at the grandad - "5h,3s" - grandad shuffles once, and camera shows 5h&3s hitting table (face down). The Kid peeks at the cards and slowly flips them over As,Ac - turns out his twisted hands allow him to perform an impossible & undetectable hand mucking move...

Kid goes to Vegas with oldies, Huge Hold-em victory (despite casino cameras) - back to hospital - tears & smiles all around - roll credits.

P.S. Of course only magicians could see this movie, too many things exposed Smile
Sorry for the book-length post - but I was having fun!
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On 2005-07-04 13:35, chris_stolz wrote:
I would make a movie about a young card shark who gets through life performing magic for local events. When some great personal tradgedy happens (Such as a death or an exploding house), he needs to make some money fast. He grabs a couple Pickpocketing DVD's and gets to work. His life soon turns to cheating at cards and pickpocketing in busy subway stations.

Life smacks hims in the face when he sits down across the table from a knee shakingly gorgeous redhead who beats the pants off of him. Destined to find out who she was, he goes on a hunt. As it turns out she's the daughter of world Famous magician "Hug Denning". After a bunch of interesting movie stuff, he turns his life around and they end up together performing magic for the rest of their lives. Probably donating a bunch of money to preventing whatever cause put him in trouble in the first place.

Hmmm....I should come up with bas movies more often!


Chris, I LOVE this idea! Great imagination and creativity. How did your last movie go?
Cheers,

Michael
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Went pretty well...until it came time to shoot!

We rehearsed the scene in the morning and at the last moment, he decided not to shoot that particular scene. The entrance to the scene after it (They came in guns blazing) was too much of a bang....shooting them coming into the casino (And knocking out the dealer...moi) would have made the entrance into the bar with guns no nearly as good.

But...I did have a great time. Mark Walberg seems to be a pretty cool guy.

-Chris.
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Hey ya'll thanks for writing.

Andrei what you're saying about someone taking the ideas is absolutely right but no one is actually talking about anything here at the forum and I thought that it would a great idea to see what people are thinking or what they would do if they had the capital to do a movie.

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Tommy,

very good idea about Vernon and his quest for gamblers and their moves. Too bad shade didn't appeal to a greater audience, so they would made more films like that.

When I asked my lay friends what excited them and went to see the movie, was the promise of exposure of specific gambling moves and what they didn't like was the absence of this.

I believe that if more moves are shown in the game, would make any movie much much more exciting to watch and watch again.
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"How about the life of Erdnase? How he got into the world of hustling, how he developed his skill, how he worked the tables alone... "

Now that's a good idea. Hasn't it been brought up in the Café before? I would cast Ricky Jay as Erdnase.
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The problem with a movie like this is that a magician doing cards is flashy, outgoing, bold, bigger than life because that is what the entertainment world is like. It is OK to show the skill.

A card shark is the other side of the coin. They don't want people to know that they have any ability with cards at all. Erdnase was said to be a quiet, unassuming gentleman. I would say Walter Scott was like that to. They did their best to BLEND IN at the table.

So to photograph this and make it entertaining, and to have the audience believe in what they do is very hard. A second deal and the punch or a third deal to get two of a kind is not a spectacular thing to show on camera. And the punch is used to take a person over TIME a little bit of time over an evening of playing cards. So the writing needs to be very good and entertaining and set up the plot and move the story along.

So in a way the two worlds of the magician and card shark conflict because they both need different abilities and different psychology to accomplish their different goals.

For a card shark movie and cheating I thought the card work was a little to flashy in the movie shade to be real. In other words TO MAGICIAN LIKE.

Unless there would have been a kid that was a magician and an older experienced card shark that was teaching the kid how to hustle at the tables. And to stop being flashy - to get the money.
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Doyle Brunson's story would be fascinating.

Maybe a story about crossroaders and their adventures. It would show their births as hustlers, the various scams they pull, the different walks of life they encounter, their quest for their place under the sun, all against the backdrop of a Nation gearing itself up for prominence on the world's stage. A story about daring, ingenuity and risk taking during the Industrial Revolution.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Doyle is The Expert at the Card Table. I would love see the true story of his life, Pup Nose and Slim.

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You guys should go rent "High Roller" the Stu Ungar story... its pretty cool movie about the man... doyles would be boring (imho).. chris's idea was pretty cool too.. I hope one of these ideas become a blockbuster...
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Doc,

I think I will not do a 1h30 movie but a serie of 45mn movies focusing on one scam. For each scam, we will see a cheater (or a team) from the training to the real scam, with slow motions of the moves and explanation of what kind of advantage the cheater will gain with these moves to be sure anyone watching this movie understand it well.

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How about a scene in prison where the mechanic/felon is turned out and traded for his soft hands and pretty mouth.


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Boy, you sure hate card cheats! You must have run into a few here and there I guess.
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Sorry, just that my kid pulled down the curtains in his room and I needed to vent. Vacation starts tomorrow so I'll cool it with the card cheat thing.



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Whatever happen to the famous lines and gambling moves that would impress the public?

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Amarillo Slim Preston and Doyle Brunson were partners and were and are two of the best hustlers the world as ever seen, I don’t think they were boring.
A couple things from “Amarillo Slim in a World Full of Fat People“:
In great detail, Slim and Dinkin chronicle Amarillo's winning ways and his larger-than-life-wagers like these classics. He won $300,000 from Willie Nelson in a televised match of dominoes, or remember when he beat Bobby Riggs out of $10,000 in a game of Ping-Pong played with frying pans as paddles? He also trounced a world champion ping-pong player with a Coca-Cola bottle, and even wooped Minnesota Fats in a game of pool using a broomstick as a cue.
Not one to pass up a poker playing opportunity, Slim has played poker with Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, and drug lords Pablo Escobar and Jimmy Charga - Slim states he has never seen men with more money and less brains than drug lords‹ always applying Slim's Top 10 Keys to poker success, which follow here at no extra charge.
Pug Nose and Doyle and many others who are now in Vegas, raking millions were and are not just good poker players they probably know more about real hustling than anyone alive. If I was going to make a film about gambling and hustling I would talk to these guys. Moreover they are approachable guys.

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Were Slim and Doyle card mechanics?
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I don't think that either of them were mechanics. I think they just knew people, and knew how to play.

Tommy that book was certainly an entertaining read, wasn't it.
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