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Traveler Special user 549 Posts |
Hello !
I absolutely LOVE this effect, but I'm looking for a way to make it more visible - for a large audience. Any suggestions ? Please ? |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Cellini's handling on one of his Street DVDs.
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1479 Posts |
And it has also been produced using glow thread and flouruscent light. The glow thread can be bought from hocus-pocus.com
Good luck |
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Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
You might check one of the Genii magazines about six months back. My friend, Nabil, put his routine in there called Heather's Thread... it combines the glow in the dark aspect with multiple colored threads being used.
Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10960 Posts |
Another source that is highly recommend is Lonnies Cheverie's DVD The Outlaw. He uses dental floss and the set up and handling is excellent..
vinny |
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Euangelion Special user 688 Posts |
Alain Choquette has a lovely story version he tells on stage that works very well. I believe a tape is available through Camirand.
http://www.camirandmagic.com/mv_004.html It is by Gary Ouellette
Bill Esborn
"Lutefisk: the piece of cod that passes all understanding." |
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1479 Posts |
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On 2005-07-04 07:02, vinsmagic wrote: The Lonnie Chevrie version is a nice rotuine with a fast set-up. And dental floss can be seen on a litlle longer distance due to its thickness. However you can also use regular thread that is a little thicker. Then you just have to bring a candle, let a spectator hold it, and then burn the thread into pieces, instead of ripping - since the thickness of the thread will not allow you to rip. Again a little bit thicker thread can be seen on a longer distance. However for stage, I only heard of using glow thread as an option - so far. BTW, the Gary Outlett version can also be bought from hocus-pocus.com and so can Lonnie Chevrie's DVD and the glow thread along with a lot of other versions of the Hindu Thread. that's just "one stop shopping" for the Hindu thread. |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
One way to make the trick more visible is to use brightly colored, wool, yarn.
Not exactly sure of a source but I think I saw Bev Bergeron do this. |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: As long as we are NOT talking about 'just' doing the Gypsy thread on a stage, the ONLY 'visible' version is Cellini's, but it's even more timeconsuming to prepare then the original Gypsy thread
On 2005-07-04 08:58, Jaz wrote: Cellini's handling of his version however is incredibly deceptive and well thought out.. Johnny Lonn, that great Swedish performer had a somehow (re visiablity) similar version that is slightly easier to prepare, but it is his own and not in print anywhere... Attend the FISM 2006 in Stockholm and ask him
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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RealDeal JU Veteran user New Jersey 375 Posts |
If you get the glow in the dark thread, use a black light. It will make it glow very bright.
Jim P.S. I love Alain Choquette's version of Gypsy Thread. His routine is the one that made me want to do the effect in the first place.
"Challenge yourself to come up with your own
material, rather than buying into the idea that you have to do the same thing that everyone else is doing to be a good magician." |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2005-07-04 11:50, realdealju wrote: His routine almost made me to stop doing the hindu-thread Far too bombastious and blown up...as is most stuff on the Gary Oulette vid re the Hindu-thread.. Just my personal opinion, but the sloppy preparation suggested and the rest of the handling isn't exactlty tops of the bizz, the 'old' Lewis Ganson Teach-In series re the Hindu-thread is much better then the Oulette pamplet and vid... There is much more to a surefire and accurate preparation re that GREAT routine, then the Oulette pamplet describes! Sorry, but that's just my personal impression and I've only known and done the Hindu-thread since around the late 1950s, early 1960s after seeing Fred Kaps doing it for the very first time.....
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
I love Cellini's take on the Gypsy thread. It takes some prep but the end result is well worth it.
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Billy McComb and I believe Ali Bongo have both done this on the big stage... using knitting wool.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Ali Bongo was the one (IIRC), putting the single pieces on his underarm/sleeve for better contrast to display on stage, I think he even used a special suit for the contrast!
On 2005-07-04 20:53, Pete Biro wrote: Still I sense the original questioneer didn't talk about performing it on stage, but for a larger audience ??? - which is not the same- therefor the Cellini version to be done f.ex. on the street, still is the one that is most visible...
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Darren Kidby Loyal user UK 291 Posts |
There is a version on Hocus-Pocus that is called "Torn and Restored Flash Thread by Henry Evans " looks very interesting, anyone have this?
Darren... |
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reaper New user 62 Posts |
I have the torn and restored flash thread, but have not had a chance to try it out in performance yet to see how it plays. I plan on using it for my stand up show I am putting together for a restaurant/bar after hours party. I don't know that the string would be visible for too large of a crowd ( ie over 100), but the flash certainly would. BTW, I plan on using a candle to break the thread and to light it to restore it.
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Euangelion Special user 688 Posts |
I believe the video "Dragon Thread" included hot pink thread with it. It was cotton counter cross-stitch thread I think.
Posted: Jul 6, 2005 5:12pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I performed a version of the gypsy thread at the MAES close-up competition in 2002 using a story about life being a rhythm of beginnings leading to endings, endings into new beginnings but a life healed is always one continuing tale. I used flash string and real string and tibetan singing bowl. It used a subtlety based on the Kaps card to box.
Bill Esborn
"Lutefisk: the piece of cod that passes all understanding." |
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Darren Kidby Loyal user UK 291 Posts |
Let me know how it goes Reaper.
Darren... Nice storyline Euangelion, I really like that, I just like the effect, and with the flash string it gets stronger with the right patter you can get hooked emotionally.Thinkin out loud, how about "The Eternal Flame" with the emphasis on the flame Darren... |
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Vraagaard Inner circle Copenhagen, Denmark 1479 Posts |
I really like this effect. I'm normally loaded with 2 spools of thread (Al Baker/ Daryl/plus my own handling) and a dental floss version (Lonnie Chevrie's version) when I do table hopping. When doing the thread version I changed my patter to the following since I never got the attention I wanted from the Hindu god patter etc. Probably because I never really bought into it and presented it the right way (I'm sure it can play strong). Here is my new patter. Feel free to use it. It's called
"My very first rope trick" - A version of the Hindu Thread. "Would you like to see my very first rope trick that I learned from a Disneys magic book when I was 8 years of age?". "Well I didn't have any rope then, so I went to my mothers sewing drawer and found a piece of thread - that was rope enough for me - since I was only that tall (showing the height with my hand)." "Now it said in the magic book that I should cut the rope into smaller pieces (start tearing), and it also said that it was an important part of magic to involve your spectators and make them a part of the magic - so sir could you please help me by holding out your hand like this (show him a flat hand)" (end tearing - 7 pieces). Roll the threads in to a ball and say "Now sir, would you please hold this ball of thread and take a look at my hands, because it said in the book that it was important to show my hands empty because magicians was well known for hiding things in their hands. Se nothing in my hands, nothing under my watch and nothing under my fingerring. Well I don't wear a watch or a finger ring today anyway and neither did I when I was 8 years old". "So sir, do you agree with me that these hands are empty? Thank you sir, (take the thread ball back) "Now it said in the book that I should take out one piece of rope (pull out the one thread from the ball of threads and put the rest of the threads back in the spectators hands), moisten my fingers (bring fingers to mouth and wet fingertips - remember to show the hand completely empty before reaching for the ball of thread) and roll the rest of the thread into a tight ball like this. Now from the moist it should now be possible for me to attach this ball to the thread by squezzing it tight (show ball to both sides and place it in the middle of the thread)(Be aware that the "moist" legitimates the fact that the ball could in theory be attached to the thread - so this is not a magical moment and nobody will suspect foul-play). "Now watch this, the book said that with a blow of air as warm as a desert wind, the ball would reattach to the thread. (reveal restored thread at face hight while slightly blowing on the thread - look amazed (a subtle amazement that is - you perform close up) and smile - they will look at both the thread and your face at this time). "Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to have shown you my very first rope trick. Only thing I added compared to Daryl's handling is the following. The context of "My first rope trick", the gag about nothing under my whatch and ring although I don't wear any whatch and ring, and for me the very important part about "moist" on my fingers. Firstly the moist helps to roll the ball very tight, secondly it helps explaining why the ball can stick to the midlle of the thread. I always disliked the fact that the ball stuck to the middle of the thread for no reason other than magic - and that's a good reason. However I didn't want the spectators to think magic at that point in the routine, I wanted to give them a plausible reason for the thread sticking to the thread - and then give them all the magic when I restored the thread. And the moist part solved the problem - just remember to really show your hand empty after moistening your finger tips. Worked well for me feel free to use it. |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Traveler,
The Cellini version that Werner G. Seitz mentions is on Cellini's "Magic That Can Be Performed Anywhere" DVD. This is a great effect. It takes a little bit of time to set up but only because he is preparing so much string. He actually sets up enough string to throw over a telephone line (if that's what you want to do to attract a crowd). And this is thick string and highly visual. This is a very nice effect. This DVD is HIGHLY recommened. In addition to the string effect there is some other jaw-dropping magic, including: Egg in Cornucopia vanish and production, "Miser's Dream" productions using giant 3"-4" coins and a finish using some 3" diameter balls (all out from a silk and into a hat), loop ball effects, and just an amazing "no moves" vanish of 5 half dollars in a silk and then the reproduction of the coins one at a time (invisibly being produced and dropping, one at a time, into the silk). This is basically a self-working effect and it is devastating to watch. If you are interested in visual magic that can be seen by a crowd, this DVD is a MUST. Strong magic, simple props and effects that can be performed under any street magic conditions. Get this DVD and Vol 2 of Cellini's "Art of Street Performing" DVD series (where Cellini teaches his complete street routine, including a number of rope routines, and, I believe his cups and balls) and you are ready to "rock and roll". These two DVDs are keepers. Just, IMHO. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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