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Flip: That is not My quote-That is Dave's quote.

That is funny Dave!

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Cute quote, but incorrect.

Gives the impressions that Burton's current show features partial nudity sometimes. I've seen it and can say that it doesn't.

I would recommend Burton's current show for kids, but would have a few reservations about doing so for DC's currrent "portal" show...
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I hope the story is not true, but it would not surprise me. The last TV special DC did, I did not care for at all. The two women on the bed "petting" each other, the comment with the young men on the couch and their "nuts", the playing with emotions of re-uniting the father & son, it was like watching Springer.

I would never want to stop DC if this is the route he chooses. But neither would I want to give him one red Penny or the time of day either.

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I saw David Copperfield about 15 years ago, and even then I was shocked at how arrogant he seemed. He signed autographs after the show, which was a joke -- up on his five-foot high throne, where everyone could see him, yet he didn't bother to look down at a single person. He chatted with his assistants the whole time while they handed him pictures to sign and gave them back to the people.

Since we are already comparing...
I saw Lance Burton two months ago here in Japan, and it was completely refreshing. The overt sexuality of DC's show was gone, and the tricks he did with the kids were highlights. His stage persona was unbelievably friendly.
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If you want to see something that makes this post ironic (where our expectations don't match what occurs), David Copperfield's show is listed in the family section on ticketmaster. I saw his show a few weeks ago. I would say he seemed to tone down the overt sexuality when he came through Cupertino, CA, but the innuendo was there. Luckily, most of it went over the heads of the children present, but asking someone during his lotto prediction to tell the audience when the last time they "got happy with someone else was" is really tasteless.

Just my 2 cents.
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I saw him in Atlanta and I agree with the above, plus I thought all the "potty" humor with the clown was also in poor taste.

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If DC actually goes for "The world's fastest pregnancy," then let me be the ten-millionth to say, "That's just tasteless."
It does nothing but drag magic in general through the mud. Smile
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but asking someone during his lotto prediction to tell the audience when the last time they "got happy with someone else was" is really tasteless.

??? Is this some kind of special code for Americans?

It reminds me of the joke about the psychologist showing someone the ink blot test. The patient describes all the pictures in crude sexual terms and eventually the doctor says, "I'm afraid you're a very sick man." The Patient replies, "I'm sick? You're the one showing the dirty pictures!!"

I thought Lance Burton used to do the family show early and the adult show late?

To be honest, the old style syrupy sentimental Copperfield never played too well in England being thought of as being over the top, which is why many of his TV specials never made it over here.

The clown gag sounded amusing, reminded me of "Shakes The Clown." But all very lightweight considering all the so called comedy movies coming out of the USA which seem to share plots surrounding obnoxious sexually inept teenagers with foul mouths.
The times are a-changing. Isn't the biggest cinema going group 18-25? Maybe he wants to attract those.

Copperfield may not have got it right yet, but he realizes he has to try to appeal to the Blaine crowd too, after the Masked Magician made many illusionists seem hokey. Let's see what develops. We don't all live in a Walt Disney style world (and even the Disney commercialism has its critics).

The original reference sounds more like it should have been reported in The Weekly World News. Smile I suspect Copperfield will be around for awhile yet. Even Blaine is changing gradually from show to show. One has to adapt and move on.

I see Penn and Teller are still going strong.
Their cut and restored snake, etc., was no doubt tasteless to some. The Rocky Horror Show is tasteless to some. When Copperfield does Ding Dong that's the time to start panicking.

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His question of when they "got happy with someone else" was obviously sexual because he first asked, "When was the last time you got happy?" The man answered and Copperfield said, "I mean, when was the last time you had fun with someone else, not with yourself?"

If he is trying to target the younger audience (like my age), then he shouldn't be billed as a family show, he shouldn't advertise on predominantly "family" oriented media, such as the local news radios and older music stations. Also, having AFLAC (an insurance company) as a sponsor wouldn't help as much as a sponsor that sells to the 18-25 year olds.

I also feel that many Americans are seeing the growing trend of the entertainment industry to things many of us see as increasingly tasteless. There have been recent articles written here about the fact that sex seems to be taking the place of creativity and that our entertainment is now turning to "shock value" as opposed to entertainment that requires more entertainment to devise. Of course, with our MTV culture thriving, many Americans' attention span has dwindled so much that shocking material seems to be the only stuff entertainers can use as a surefire entertainment medium.

This topic gets pretty touchy. I don't profess to speak for anyone but myself, this is just my take on things.
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"The man answered and Copperfield said, "I mean, when was the last time you had fun with someone else, not with yourself"."

You mean he wanted to know the last time he went to the movies with someone? Smile

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If he is trying to target the younger audience (like my age), then he shouldn't be billed as a family show,

I fully agree, but maybe it is others that are describing him that way? People have grown to accept one thing, so it is difficult for him to try and change the image. People become shocked more probably because they think it out of character. Maybe a newer audience, that hasn't seen him before, goes in without the pre-conceived ideas and does not come out disappointed.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not particularly trying to defend D.C., just offer a different point of view.

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That is true. I grew up seeing David Copperfield's shows on TV and I was kind of shocked seeing him in a different light. It could just be that this is where he personally sees magic to be headed or he may be projecting an image of himself that he feels will attract more people to his shows.
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Thank you, Paul, for being the voice of reason amidst all the Copperfield-Bashing.
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I sure miss the old DC....early performances doing dancing hank, dancing cane, awesome close-up, Don Wayne floating ball ala Disco ball. Sure magic has to evolve, however I'm sure the question "into what?" is tough. I sorta lost him after Statue of Liberty.

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On 2002-11-17 12:45, Bravo wrote:
Thank you, Paul, for being the voice of reason amidst all the Copperfield-Bashing.
I wouldn't call it "DC bashing".

There are many of us who have always liked DC and are simply disappointed with the current direction he's taking his show.
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Maybe if he actually has a kid on stage, he'll understand the magic of becoming a parent.

Bet his act would change then. For pete's sake, Madonna won't even allow Lourdes to watch her own mother's videos. I'm glad none of my sins are on the eternal celluloid database. All I have is a fading memory, and no W4's proving I capitalized on them.
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On 2002-10-26 14:47, justinflom wrote:
I miss the days when DC added drama and emotions in his routines. Like snow, flying, father and son baseball routine (an oldie) and many others. There's no emotion in switiching a woman's underwear with another.

I strongly believe that this is the end of his career unless he changes his show, and his attitude. Within the next few months/years, we'll really see which type of magic the public likes, entertaining family freindly magic, or stupid sick magic. I think we all know which type of magic has succeeded in the past. Smile

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C'mon, give me a break. I loved the underwear switch. It was flirtatious cheeky fun. My wife thought it was great too. And his Portal Illusion was one of the strongest pieces of theater I've seen in a long time.

Copperfield is just exploring a new direction. He is obviously trying to go a little lighter in his persona to capture the MTV generation. Nothing wrong with it. It's just not what you are used to, so it bothers you. If it doesn't work, he will adjust. He's a smart man...

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Big Daddy Cool hit the nail on the head with DC going to capture the MTV generation plus an upgrade for modern times. Lighten up and enjoy the show or turn off the tv when he comes on. Smile
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OK... I've been silently reading this back and forth but now I have to chime in. It's a magic show people. Anyone going to tell me Houdini hanging from his ankles over New York City was a good image for kids? How about the magician who eats razor blades or buries himself in a casket for a week? Children are our responsibility... not the media's. As for Copperfield.... LIGHTEN up people. Don't like it... don't watch. No one is forcing you.

That being said... His show was always full of innocent adult targeted double innuendos. When an audience helper has to reach into his pocket... for years he's been saying, "I said Coperfield... NOT Coppa-feel". There is so much worse out there than DC. Like his current style or not, he's the reason many of us are magicians now, he sells out 500 shows a year, and holds his own year in and year out as magic and the world change around him.
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Alright...my turn people...

I am a real DC fan... no doubt. Although I haven't seen his special yet, I can assume it's pretty much different than what he has previously put out.

That being said, my opinions cannot be fully supported. I agree with the fact that he's trying to target the younger audiences... truly I do... but would it hurt him to use extremely humorous but CLEAN humor? Sexual humor may offend some people (I don't mind it actually... but there are others on earth besides me!) Smile so he should be wary of that!

Further more, about his illusions being more... sick. Well, I think he's trying something new... trial and error... I think he'll realise that something 'cool' or
'interesting' may not exactly be something
'magical'. We've all tested and trialed what works with our audience... and he's doing his since there are more big shot magicians coming into light, David Blaine being a main contender.

Sexual humor has its place and moments, one or 2 jokes would be ok, but I don't think that an illusion based around sex is a good idea... definitely not... sounds more perversed than amazing. Impregnating a woman on stage? Is it a science show? An adult film? What's he trying to prove? True, the greatest miracle is birth... but that's a miracle of God... of nature... not for people to say, "Wow! Look... in just one hour!" I mean, I wouldn't be impressed...

He should do things that are unique instead of sick. For example... instead of making a building disappear... make a portion of it vanish... leaving the top half hanging in thin air... and a helicoptor fly thru the missing middle section or something! That's more amazing than watching a baby being born in under an hour!

If I were him... I would study all the other top magicians... and see what they do... not necessarily copy them... but note... the type of jokes they do... the basis of their tricks. *sigh*... maybe he's too big for that... maybe he feels he knows what the audience wants... but with all these
'maybe's'... he's bound to make a mistake somewhere.

His previous shows were all filled with drama... emotion... he put his soul into his work and you could see it... now I'm not exactly sure what he's putting into it... but by the sound of it, I'm quite sure it's not his soul...

I can only pray for DC... he got me started in magic...

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