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Here Here...Excellent post Icy_Rabbit. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Even if it is overtly sexual, don't kids get enough of that nowadays through the media alone? Why do they need Copperfield adding to it?
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Last time I saw Lance Burton perform (at the Monte Carlo), he was able to charm the kids and adults with no need to interject a lot of sexual innuendo...
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Different strokes for different folks. Oops, didn't mean that. Smile Smile
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Copperfield's been "overly sexual" since the late 80's. In reality, it is what made him the famous magician that he is today. A sex symbol magician superstar. That's just David. This pregnancy illusion doesn't seem very sexual at all though. It appears to be very comedic, and any sexual hints or jokes probably wouldn't be understood by most children anyway. I can't wait to see it, it seems really funny.
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Hey, guys, gals, listen.....JAEIII is right. David is using a formula that WORKS FOR HIM. Must we look for controversy in EVERY performer out there?

Just my humble "NEWBIE" opinion.

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Geez. Glad I'm not a female volunteer in one of his shows. Ever seen him force a kiss after assisting him? Maybe it's just me, but he appears to insist a peck on the cheek before a female volunteer leaves the stage. Most distasteful. Smile
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I agree there is a time and place for anything-or an act and an audience. Meaning-family oriented shows should be just that. Who is in charge of defining "family entertainment?" Who knows?

If the whole pregancy thing was a joke-then I feel it wasn't as bad as the article sounded... encroaching on tastless.
I also think there is nothing wrong with some sexual innuendos and jokes for mature audiences. Most adults have sexual relationships and need that type of humor to relate to.

I can tell jokes with the best of them-But like I said, with a family-advertised show, I feel it has no place.

Maybe their performances should have a rating?

Ice raven-good point-why should he add to it?

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I don t know what to say to this one.. I'm gonna wait until I actually see the performance of the whole impregnating a women effect. I'm a huge David Copperfield fan. He was the man that inspired me to become a magician. Every season I look forward to a new speical, and I was so disappointed. I did think his show was a little sick. I just thought he was not being himself. I love DC and there is nothing wrong with change in a show. It did not seem like him.

Have to wait till the next special to see what he delights or frightens us with. Smile

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He's forcing a kiss out of female assistants?
Who aren't stooges?

Well, I guess after "impregnating" them, kissing isn't really all that bad.

Oh, wait. It's a family show.

I'm not usually against anything in magic. But have some class, for crying out loud!
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Given the plot of this supposed routine in the making...

Is David married and does he have any children?

Maybe he is just starting to figure out the 'birds and bees' stuff. If you dedicate your life to art some other things get put on hold.
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No, David is not married. He was engaged to Claudia Shiffer for about six years a while back, but they eventually split. He's dated a few people since then. He has no children either.

And no, David doesn't FORCE kisses. He points to his cheek hoping that they'll give him a peck on the cheek, but he's not forcing them to do so. Anyone who has seen his past TV specials has seen what he does.

I am not sure if there is anything too overly sexual in his current tour. If there is anything, it is much less than any tour in the past. The exotic dancing is gone. A few adult jokes don't harm anyone. All of the adults laugh and none of the kids really understand. It's still an excellent show.

Of course, let's all remember. David is a sex symbol. He uses his good looks and his "sexy" image to his advantage. That's why most magicians want to be him, and most female fans want to be with him.

His show is excellent. His "new" humor during his shows is hilarious. You go to his show and you hardly stop laughing. It's a great two hours.
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I don't think David would do somthing like that...
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FIRST OFF: I agree with JAE in that Copperfield has been doing this forever which is why all those middle aged women love him.

As far as the pregnancy trick goes, it sounds more stupid than offensive. Copperfield has made plenty of bad decisions in the past.

However with the help of Gaughn and Wayne I'm sure Copperfield will strive. Some of his stuff is just so beautiful.

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Well, why not add my 2p.

I think the 'impregnating' trick may not be as bad as I first thought. Kind of done with some humour. Depends how DC pretends to impregnate the woman. I have visions of some pretty lewd gestures here which I hope he does not use!!

As for the sexual innuendo in his shows, many, many performers use this, and it is present in most of the Disney movies from the last 20 years. See Shrek for great examples. There is a host of jokes that are obviously targeted to the adults that are watching. These jokes also go right over the heads of the little ones (I know this as I have watched Shrek with my neices. I laughed and they asked me what I was laughing at. I couldn't explain simply because the joke was meant for someone with a bit more 'life experience').

I use the following during my cut and restored in my kids act "anyone who is watching the knot is not (knot) watching" - gets a lot of groans from the adults, and the kids just ignore it because they usually don't get it.
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Maybe Copperfield thinks he is God?

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Haha! I hope your making a joke, Matt. David does not think he's God. Smile
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I think the bottom line here is that magicians will have to see the shows to decide for themselves whether it is right or wrong. I also realize that what I say here has very little or no impact on the way David Kotkin will perform his shows, so I'm withdrawing from this argument. Smile
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I think that is good way to end this discussion, Kathryn. Thanks. Smile
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