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MagicTaylor New user 25 Posts |
I would like you thoughts on this-also does any one have a video of themselves doing this routine??
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
I learned it and its a waste of time, I get better reactions from laymen doing card tricks..
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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MagicTaylor New user 25 Posts |
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On 2005-07-12 20:26, iamslow wrote: how long did it take you to learn? |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
Thought it was pretty cool at first to learn a bunch of crazy flourishes and sybils and stuff, but I kind of grown out of that. Now I'm much more interested in presentation of routines, not just showing off. Cradle to Grave is not the best source for card flourishes either. Try going to the "pasteboard frolics" forum and I'm sure you will find out everything you need to know about this or any other video of its kind
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Jonas Inner circle Sweden 1065 Posts |
I guess CTG is a good source if you are going to do pure manipulation.
But if you are going to do card flourishes as this room is dedicated to, I'd get the Dan and Dave system. I prefer the system, CTG is a nice little routine, I like flipback fan as well, but for heaven display and flipback vanish and some other stuff, I didn't find them that special.. So its 2 moves for $50. So if you want some more meat for the money and get stuff you will use in your magic routines as that's what flourishes are for, get the D&D System or Showoff 2 or something like that. Stay away from showoff with cards though in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/jonashaglund < Card flourishes and some other stuff.
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MnemonicaRedux Regular user 179 Posts |
In my opinion, Cradle to the Grave is one of the most powerful flourish routines that one can pull off. It's truly poetic in a sense that it IS a metaphor for life... we start in a box (cradle), we go through the trials and tribulations of life (impossible stack), and after much ado, we finally end in a box (grave). What makes people not like this, you may ask?
The reason: Presentation. If you were to go up to a random person on the street, say "looklooklookwatchwatchwatch..." and execute the moves, the only reactions you would get would be "uh... wtf". But if one were to instead warm up the audience with a little introduction to flourishes, an explanation of what you were then going to attempt to do, and throw in an involving presentation (maybe even with the aforementioned poetic qualities), your audience would definitely thank you for letting them on in a purely artistic experience. How do I know this is true? I've done this routine countless times for lay audiences with proper presentation, and the amazement doesn't stop after the final card is shown. A friend of mine performed this routine as a guest judge at an event a month ago, and there were even screams from male audience members... thundering applause filled the room afterwards. Whether or not this kinda thing is your style is completely up to you... Max Maven would look weird telling Yo Momma jokes, and I'd be pretty freaked out if Lee Asher was to go into a seance-type act. If you do choose to do this routine, however- practice it and practice well, and try and concoct a presentation of your own, in an attempt to express yourselves with this routine. It's truly a one-of-a-kind flourish. -Kev P.S: (Taylor, De'vo has asked buyers to refrain from posting a performance of this routine on the internet. Though I sometimes find him a stickler for 'XCM discipline', I agree that this routine should be done for real people out there, rather than for anonymous people behind a computer screen.) |
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Brickster New user 38 Posts |
The actual teaching in CTG is far superior to the D&D system. The System contents are taught in two direction, from the front, and from the front, the worst way to learn something like this. CTG angles are much easiler to learn from and the content is worth learning. Perhaps if the system taught the flourishes better (which by the way is the whole reason people buy it in the first place) it might stack up. They aren't really two things you can compare fairly, as far as the content, since they are different subjects, but as far as the teaching, CTG wins hands down.
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monark Regular user Southern IN 162 Posts |
I think that CTG has some nice stuff on it. As mentioned previously, the flipback fan is very nice, as well as the CTG routine itself. It takes a good deal of practice to get it down nicely (which I haven't quite done yet ), but it's still a nice looking routine. Plus, as mredx pointed out, it could be used in real situations and enjoyed it given the proper presentation.
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God-glorified Special user 697 Posts |
I liked the DVD. It was a nice routine that is very impressive. Of course this could only be accomplished with the right audience. Some audiences I perform for don't like magic at all and it doesn't impress them, yet they can stand their for hours watching me do a sybil cut. (This is a good time to whip out GTG) Also there are very nice bonuses on their like the Flipback vanish which I use a lot.
Ephes. 2:8-9
For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. |
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Imagication New user Brunei Darussalam 52 Posts |
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On 2005-07-12 20:26, iamslow wrote: Hmm... Didn't like the sound of that. You do XCM only when you're determined. One that does this takes much pride in what they're doing. I'm sorry that you're not this person iamslow, or else you might've liked it and respected it. I'm just not sure how you didn't get much reaction, probably you didn't performed it well? Sorry if I'm mistaken. Probably you should take more time in the art, c'mon iamslow, give it a chance, bro. Just me, peace.
-Jess.
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cardandcoin New user 66 Posts |
$50 is a bit much isn't it.
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Imagication New user Brunei Darussalam 52 Posts |
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On 2005-08-01 10:47, cardandcoin wrote: I think not, if you're rich that is. But seriously, just think about they're hard-earned work. They don't call it Xtreme for nothing.
-Jess.
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Steranko New user UK 89 Posts |
Dan and Daves DVD has a nice mixture of moves, but it all seems a little pointless. The problem with the teaching aswell. Trying to work out where fingers are and what not in some shots is a real pain in the ass. As for CTG, I have seen some one do the routine and its impressive. But, its only impressive if you can fathom how difficult it is, other than that its pretty mediocre.
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Jonas Inner circle Sweden 1065 Posts |
Imagication, seems they do.
How can a beginner be Xtreme? "Dude I'm so Xtreme, I cant even fan a deck man" "Well dude, I am Xtremerer, I cant get them out of the case!" Actually it seems more like a advertising technique. Or not seems..... Yeye. I like 2 things on CTG anyway, so it's not all a waste of $50 I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/jonashaglund < Card flourishes and some other stuff.
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Imagication New user Brunei Darussalam 52 Posts |
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On 2005-08-02 14:48, Harwin wrote: It seems you're refering to the Extreme Begginers, I'm talking about XCM itself. And the topic is not refering to Extreme Begginers at all either. Peace bro.
-Jess.
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Erik J Elite user Sweden 417 Posts |
*Xtreme Beginnerz
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Imagication New user Brunei Darussalam 52 Posts |
Right.
-Jess.
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MnemonicaRedux Regular user 179 Posts |
And so, the other day I was walking down the road, when I suddenly came across a shop that had the band CRADLE of Filth's latest album. So I walked inTO THE store to take a look, and I saw this guy with a really GRAVE look on his face. Yeesh.
Take a hint? -Kev |
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Jonas Inner circle Sweden 1065 Posts |
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It seems you're refering to the Extreme Begginers, I'm talking about XCM itself. And you also wrote "They don't call it Xtreme for nothing." What is XB? Xtreme Beginners, right? So you are Xtreme if you are a beginner, and they don't call it Xtreme for nothing? Then I could say that my 3 year old cousin is Xtreme? I mean, she cant do **** with cards, nor can beginners, so that makes her Xtreme? They still don't call it Xtreme for nothing?
http://www.youtube.com/jonashaglund < Card flourishes and some other stuff.
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cardfreaky New user 20 Posts |
They call it that way because it's for beginners in the art of Xtreme Card manipulation, willing to learn the art, thus making them Xtreme Beginners.
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