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Samuel
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Steven Youell: I am a serious card worker and magician, and I would love to get to join in on the Cogitation. Could you please tell me how to do this?

When I try to do so on the site, I only get a message telling me that "Sorry, you do not have access to view this site" or something like that.

I have also sent you a pm with this message, to be sure that you read it Smile

With all respect,
Samuel
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Steranko
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On 2005-07-30 15:04, Dan McLean wrote:
I just received an email from Steven Youell saying that Cogitations II will feature Ron Bauer's Riffle Action Palm. That and what Paul Chosse has coming up makes the renewal cost the best bargain around.


Nice, the RAP is a beautiful piece of engineering. Cant wait!
Mito
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On 2005-08-01 17:36, syouell wrote:
Calm Down, Fellas!

Here's the deal-- Cogitation Subscriptions go by content, not by time.


"24 Articles were promised for the initial six months of Cogitations and
currently 19 have been published. (I do NOT count my lecture notes
as one of the articles, that's just a bonus). I will easily be able to have
all 24 Articles posted by June 15th and all the archive CD's out by the
end of June. Once the 24 Articles have been posted, Cogitations will
remain static until June 25th at which time all material will be archived."

Call me impatient. Smile
Steven Youell
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Nope, you're not impatient. I miscalled that one. Right after that e-mail
was sent, moving my entire household became a reality. And escrow paperwork
became a nightmare.

Apologies to all who feel they were slighted.

Steven Youell
jskalon
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Steven,
Do you mean "Slighted" or "Sleighted" ?
Jack Skalon

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Andrei
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Mr Youell - and regarding Samuel's question?

Andrei
Steven Youell
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Already answered via e-mail. Any other inquires should be directed to me via e-mail as well.
OK?

Steven Youell

Greetings!

Thank you all for your patience!

Part One of "20 Questions for Paul Chosse has been posted.
Thus far, Paul has anwered about half the questions and it's
taken nearly 14 pages!

Now you can really learn something about the Semi-Underground
Legend! AND he'll tell you what he's planning for Cogitations II !

Steven Youell
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On 2005-07-29 23:54, Mito wrote:
I got an email asking to renew---I didn't.

Oh well, I feel I got my money's worth. Just got tired of waiting for the "weekly" articles.


Mito,

Not picking on you, but your statement was handy and gives me a leaping off point I guess.

I speak for no one else, but Cogitations DID NOT deliver what was promised. I don't see how anyone could deny that. The revisionist's history tends to soften the blow, but doesn't change the facts.

I will never pretend to tell someone whether they got their moneys worth or not - not my business. If you buy a car at a great price and on delivery it didn't have a spare tire, a backseat and the jack, you may have gotten your moneys worth, but not what was purchased.

I also resist, the "real life happens" sort of arguments in all cases such as this. How long does it take to make a post on the Café or a broadcast message to all subscribers - 5 minutes? This type of excuse is always the weakest to me. If there was a desire to inform purchasers of delays and/or changes it is easily done.

"Real life" also encompasses delivering product as stated in any commercial venture. When sites are free - that's another matter.

I thought about making this post for several days and whether I should do it privately. Obviously, I decided to make a public post. This was a public venture, heavily advertised and promoted right here and this is the proper forum for critiques to my way of thinking.

sam
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Nahhh. Cogitations will go on. There were and are certainly more than enough people that feel they received their money's worth and more. I count myself among them.

At the same time, nobody can gripe with those who will bail because value aside, they didn't receive what they bargained for or lost patience with the manner in which it was delivered. I agree that the "life happens" stuff has its limits for a commercial venture. However, one can hope there is a learning curve with a new venture.

Stacking the value of what was delivered plus the items promised for round 2 (by Paul Chosse....Ron Bauer's RAP....), I am willing to hang on for another subscription....only this time, I won't be logging in so frequently. Count me in.
Dan McLean
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I've already paid for the next installment of Cogitations just based on Paul Chosse's upcoming plans and the Ron Bauer RAP. Those alone make it the best money I've spent on magic this year.
And I'm more than happy with what I spent on the current Cogitations. In these days where guys are throwing together a few routines, mostly "derivative", and putting them on a DVD, I have no complaints with Steven Youell. Cogitations is a steal. I don't know what was promised. I do know I got more than I paid for.
Youell's 65-page Weapons of Mass Destruction notes alone contains two routines he and Paul Chosse floored me with at the A-1 convention Chosse wrote about in his column.
There was also Ron Bauers TTT, a much sought after technique, and also a stone fooler new trick by him. Then there are videos of Luvisi's second and bottom deals, Wimhurst's DPS fan steal and LePaul's Auto Jog finesse, routines by Mike Powers and JC Wagner, the list goes on.
Cogitations, for me, was a bargain. And no, Steven isn't paying me a dime.
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Remember, good things come to those who wait! There are definitely some good things coming down the line. I am more than willing to stay on board for all the gems that are on their way.
Steven Youell
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On 2005-08-09 10:47, stevenamills wrote:

I speak for no one else, but Cogitations DID NOT deliver what was promised.



Mr. Mills is correct. Cogitations did not have "weekly updates" as promised.
My feelings will not be hurt by people who do not wish to subscribe to
Cogitations II because of this fact. I do not attempt to "revise" history
and will never do so.

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On 2005-08-09 10:47, stevenamills wrote:

How long does it take to make a post on the Café or a broadcast message to all subscribers - 5 minutes?



Here though, Mr. Mills is factually incorrect. Each and everytime Cogitations was
updated or an article was delayed I sent a mass e-mail to all subscribers. Some
subscribers apparently were not getting these e-mails for various reasons,
including security settings, and people using different e-mail addresses than
those associated with their paypal account. The fact that most people got these
messages demonstrates that Mr. Mills is in error.

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On 2005-08-09 10:47, stevenamills wrote:

This was a public venture, heavily advertised and promoted right here and this is the proper forum for critiques to my way of thinking.



We simply disagree here. I believe that if I have a problem in a business
transaction then I should contact him first before picketing his store in
public. To me, that's common courtesy.

Steven Youell
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You know up till about Six Months ago, the real life excuse might not have flown with me. But then real life decided to rear its head. This is not a "poor me" post... but over the last year:

Good Friend in Portland died after being in intensive care for a month (after a car accident, (33 years old)
Grandmother died (first immediate family member for me)
Emergency C-section of my daughter (healthy.. woo hoo)
Emergency Gallbladder surgery for my wife (healthy now.. woo hoo)
Emergency Transport from Juneau to Seattle to get a stone "removed"...

The last three of those happened in the last 3 months.

I am sorry but there are times that Real Life excuse is more than just an excuse. And honestly, times when posts, even five minutes to the Café are out of the question.

In all my dealings with Steven, when he feels something has not been right, in the end it becomes right. It is with that knowledge that I continue.

These are my thoughts and experiences, no one elses. Not saying you have to buy the excuse, but I do.

John
xformer7
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I would like to chime in to express that John's is not an isolated experience. With Steven, in the end, he makes things right. Comes from dealing with a person of integrity. My patience has always been rewarded.

Kevin
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I'm a member of Cogitations.

I never received any email updates. I now realize it's due to the misspelled email address I gave Steven.

At no point have I felt disappointed with Cogitations.

Regardless of the petty arguments putting down Cogitations, I'm a satisfied customer.
blindbo
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There are more things in life better worth complaining about.
This isn't one of them.
Its magic. I take it as I get it.
Steve delivers good stuff, you may add "eventually".
Rest assured, when he delivers, its the finest. I've found it to be quality and quantity.
Personally, I can't even count the times I've spent twenty bucks on things that have delivered far less or nothing at all.
Sure, I would like Cogitations to be more scheduled, but cheese, Louise...put it into perspective.
jtcavataio
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Amen Ron!!!
cgscpa
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John Lennon said it best: "Life is what happens when you try to make other plans."

Personally speaking, I thought Stephen did keep members informed during Cogitations first run. I will gladly subcribe again.
Paul Chosse
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I've known Steven Youell for many years. I have worked with Steve on many projects. Steve has represented me at various corporate functions, and has worked as the "talent" on many levels in the business environment. I have never been disappointed in his performance. I am NOT talking about his Magic Performances, though they have always been excellent. I am talking about his performance as a member of the marketing teams we assemble for various projects in the" real world". He has also served as the contact person and coordinator of several marketing efforts I have been retained to develop. At NO TIME has his integrity ever been called into question. And at no time has he EVER failed to deliver whatever the contract calls for, to the clients full satisfaction. Of course, we insist, in all our efforts, on full cooperation from the client, and on good comunication. It is the ONLY way that we can guarantee a successful program. I am concerned that you are having issues with the material you contracted for, and am surprised that you can't resolve this with Steven directly, that you feel it necessary to air your personal issues publicly. I would suggest a more moderate approach. Perhaps talking to Steven directly would be a start?

Best, PSC
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Quality - tested - performance - magic - TAKES TIME!

It takes time to come up with performance ideas in magic.

It takes time to audience test magic routines.

It takes time to write the routines down edit and rewrite copy.

It has been my experience for many years that in magic good magic performance material is worth waiting for. And for the true student of magic - it is worth it's weight in GOLD.

In a world where many have the - we want it now and were entitled to it or we complain - it still doesn't change the facts that the faster the magic comes in production that speed often leads to poor quality.

I am not a member or a subscriber to this project but I know a few people that I respect and are great with a deck that are subscribers. And I have heard nothing but great talk about the quality of the routines. Quality in magic routines is worth waiting for.
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