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rawdawg
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Dai Vernon "Book of Magic" specifically the section on Naturalness
Dai Vernon's "Inner Card Trilogy" or "Ultimate Secrets of Card Magic"
Stars of Magic
20 dollar manuscript

just off the top of my head...
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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Perhaps you guys missed my earlier post. I set the record straight. The answer is; Me. I am the best. Best ever magician. Me. That's who. So there. End of story.

Now can we just get back to talking about the pros and cons of Black Tiger Decks?
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IF you are interested in Vernon's approach to magic then the best book to start with is Ganson's "The Dai Vernon Book of Magic". This will give you a "feel" for Vernon's general approach to magic. If you are interested in card magic particularly, then you want the "Inner Secrets" series. And "The Stars of Magic", though not entirely Vernon, contains so much seminal work of Vernon's that to ignore it would be foolhardy. Consider the following:; "Spellbound", "The Travellers", "Kangaroo Coins", "Cups and Balls", "Triumph", and of course, Vernon's take on Malini and on Liepzig. That's a post-graduate course in fine close-up magic! Give it a shot, you won't regret any of this material...

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Thanks! And it would appear my local magic shop has the Dai Vernon book in! So the saving begins!
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On 2005-08-01 17:52, magicalaurie wrote:
Bruce Springsteen does remind me of Bob Dylan. But it's just a superficial similarity. No one is the new someone else.


When John Cougar Mellencamp came out, he was compared to Springsteen. Springsteen's first records were compared to Bob Dylan. Dylan was compared to Muddy Waters and Arlo Guthrie early on. And so on, and so on. All great art is created by standing on the shoulders of giants (and Vernon was no exception). Having direct influences is incredibly important, something that would not have been at all been controversial in any art form a hundred years ago. But with the advent of 20th century modernism, "innovation" has been fetishized at the expense of all other artistic values. Now people like to pretend that they didn't learn their craft from other sources. Rubbish! If we invent stuff on our own, we have to pretend like it's 100% our own. But REAL artists know better, and don't mind crediting their sources and wearing their influences on their sleeves.

Vernon was important because he was important on lots of different levels. An innovator, a creator, a performer, an advocate, a writer, and of course as a teacher. Paul Harris is an important inventor and innovator, but is lacking in the other areas. Michael Ammar is an important teacher, especially to amateurs, but is (let's be honest) a fairly wooden performer, nothing to write home about. Giobbi certainly has earned consideration for his publishing and teaching, but as a performer he is not well known. Tamariz? Now there's a possibility, but he hasn't published enough to be compared to Vernon.

Like the Beatles and Beethoven, Vernon was a unique force who rose to the occasion at a particular time. I don't think it would be right to expect something like him again.
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Which magician alive today best emulates Dai Vernon?
My good friend Alex Linian.
He has an impromptu version of the invisible deck and he bends forks and spoons better than anyone in the business.
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I disagree Joe, but thanks.
Actually, the most amazing thing I've seen is your arm illusion (where you twist and BREAK your arm in half). And your finesse on the top change still fools me.
If anyone emulates Dai Vernon today, it's you.
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Emulate: Strive to equal or match, especially by imitating.

If you want to be great you have got to be original not an imitation.
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Dai Vernon is already a Legend. No one can replace him. But there are still many great & honorable magicians, mentalists and entertainers, who perform miracles beyond our imaginations like...

David Copperfield, Michael Ammar, Steve Banachek, Richard Osterlind, James Freedman, Bruce Bernstein, Apollo Robbins, Barrie Richardson, Finn Jon, Jon Racherbaumer, Lee Earle, Larry Becker, Robert Allen, Henry Evans, Danny Archer, Allan Ackerman, Criss Angel, Stan Allen, Peter Eggink, Simon Aronson, Lee Asher, Lennart Green, Steve Bedwell, John Cornelius, Arian Black, Morgan Strebler & Mikala, Michael Mode, Gaetan Bloom, Jeff McBride, Doug Brewer, Corey Burke, Dan and Dave Buck, Eugene Burger, Dan Harlan, Joey Burton, Johnny Thompson, Mike Close and Lisa Moore, Gared Crawfords, Yves Doumergue, Peter Cassford, Daniel Cros, Nigel Harrison, Gary Darwin, Daryl and Alison, John Guastaferro, Dean Dill, Eric James, Bill Malone, Dan Sylvester, Jim Pace, Jeff Edmunds, Darwin Ortiz, Jeff Wessmiller, Richard Turner, Cellini, Aaron Fisher, Bob Fitch, David Stone, Tom Frank, Michael Forbes, Brad Christian, Bill Goodwin, Paul Harris, Carl Andrews, Brad Henderson, Simon Lovell, Scott Hitchcock, Penn Jillette, Al Schneider, Curtis Kam, John Kennedy, Chris Kenner, Chappy Brazil, Scott F. Guinn, Mac King, Paul Green, Borid Wild, Roger Klause, Bob Kohler, Nathan Kranzo, Chris Korn, Todd Lassen, John Lovick, Geoff Latta, Whit Haydn, Homer Liwag, Oz Pearlman, Doug Malloy, Quentin Reynolds, Mike Michaels, Greg Wilson, Eric Mead, Aldo Colombini, Jason Dean and John Born, John Moehring, Martin Nash, Steve Draun, Gary Norsigian, David Regal, Shoot Ogawa, Chris Randall, Peter Reveen, David Forrests, David Roth, Guy Bavli, Andrew Mayne, Adam Rubin, Michael Close, Alan Rorrison, Scott Alexander, Looy Simonoff, Jay Sankey, Steve Fearson, Peter Studebaker, Karl Hein, Howie Schwartzman, Patrick Kuffs, Jamy Ian Swiss, Bob White, Roberto Giobbi, Garrett Thomas, Daniel Garcia, Tim Trono, Dan Watkins, Thomas Wayne, Paul Wilson, Geoff Williams, Phil Varricchio, Bob Cassidy, Rick Wilcox, Dennis Loomis, Richard Sanders, Sal Piacente, Frank Zak, Tomas Medina, Brian Tudor, Tommy Wonder, Jimmy Molinari, Etienne Pradier, Kif Chan, Guy Hollingworth and The Flicking Fingers.
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I am a bit bothered by all of this.
I will not vote for who is the modern day Vernon.
I think that most after reading this thread will agree that this would be unwise.
I am troubled by the way most make comparisons of some to Vernon.
I will not worship the man but I respect his magic greatly.
I have seen him perform several times.
Mind you, I have not seen everyone perform on planet earth today.
However, I have not seen anyone that can produce a magical effect as well as Vernon.
Unfortuneately you can not get this from his books. He presents things well. His theories are farily straight forward and are actually standard now. Probably due to his efforts.

It is the Vernon Touch. When he did it looked like magic. I have not seen anyone that can do that. There have been a few that take my breath away. But it is not the same as what Vernon did.

The last time I saw him he was quite old. He dropped the glass for his well known routine and it broke. He was not doing well. When he finished he got a standing ovation. However, I heard many around me say, "Why is this guy so great?"

This is the effects of time. And, unfortuneately, time is preventing us from seeing the Vernon Touch.

I would enjoy seeing someone that could do what he did. I actually am hungary to see it. But I have not. All to often individuals in this forum rave about someone that I have seen and will say, "OK, he does a good job." But please, please do not compare them to Vernon. It bothers me intensly.
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I believe that the writings and poetic words of Whit Haydn have already put this topic to rest...

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Chak?????? your list ain't worth JACK.LOL..............
with out the godfather of magic of on that list....
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Don't you think others should mention these things?
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Half the problem here is that "emulate" is not defined.
The other problem is that the focus is not defined: are we talking about the man or his work. I have found that many heroes in real life have had feet of clay, or been downright unpleasant people although they may have done some great things (JFK, Churchill for example).
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Only a clone of the Professor could emulate him...it's like asking who could emulate the late great Bruce Lee. Uniqueness is what separates us as humans and I thank the Creator for that...& because of His grace we are what we are.

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On 2005-07-31 20:43, love2laugh wrote:
I'm sorry everyone for being critical on your choices. I just have a very strong opinion that Michael Ammar is a modern day Dai Vernon.

Can anyone provide any evidence against my selection of Michael Ammar? He has been the most prolific publisher of magic videos and was even on Dai Vernon's Revelations videos. Dai Vernon said himself how amazing a magician Michael Ammar was on his tapes. I think Dai Vernon even thought of Michael Ammar as his predecessor.

I have seen Johnny Thompson's cups and balls routine and yes he does impersonate Dai Vernon's mannerisms and voice almost perfectly.

So, who do you think surpasses Michael Ammar? Who is a modern day Dai Vernon? Please provide some evidence for your claims.

Thank you,
L2L


Can you provide evidence against thier choices? A rather pointless tactic you know. "here is my OPINION, now prove me wrong."
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2005-09-10 13:02, scorch wrote:
When John Cougar Mellencamp came out, he was compared to Springsteen. Springsteen's first records were compared to Bob Dylan. Dylan was compared to Muddy Waters and Arlo Guthrie early on.



I can't let this stand. Bob Dylan was never compared to Arlo Guthrie. He was compared to WOODY Guthrie. I'm sure it was just a slip of the fingers but it's heresy just the same. LOL
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I wish I could have met Dai Vernon!

Thank you everyone for your comments.

Sincerely,
L2L
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On 2005-07-31 19:59, Paul Chosse wrote:
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On 2005-07-31 19:49, love2laugh wrote:
Patrick Page, Billy McComb, Johnny Thompson!?!?!?

These old guys are not nearly as talented as Michael Ammar!

I cannot think of an effect Patrick, Billy, or Johnny can perform which is better than Ammar. Michael Ammar is probably of the the most influential magicians in the last 20 years.

~L2L


Har, Har, Har! Thanks for the best laugh I've had in weeks!

Best, PSC


I'm dying here. Too funny!!! Ya, that Thompson fellow has a lot to learn!!
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