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Haha I hope that's a joke
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ditto. Mind you, I'm no experton on magic history, but I've atleast heard of the man.
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Thank you. Ver honerd to be considered never mind to be in the list man!

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On 2005-10-08 11:15, vinsmagic wrote:
Chak?????? your list ain't worth JACK.LOL..............
with out the godfather of magic of on that list....
vinny

I think you should be in the list Vinny! You are very helpful to all of us here on the Café. You are awesome! I VOTE THAT VINNY IS THE DAI VERNON OF THE MAGIC Café!!!! Smile
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Michael Ammar.

What do you think?


Not even close.

Through his excellent video series, magic journals, lectures, and such, Ammar has proven himself to be an important disseminator of instructional information in the field. This is without doubt. But even in these areas his primary focus has been for the beginner/amateur market. For professionals his accomplishments here are dwarfed by not only Vernon, but many others in the field.

Further, Ammar is not a particular inventive magician, with most of his published material coming from others. So on that score he is certainly not even in the top 20 of magical inventors today.

And lastly, Ammar is nobody's idea of a great performer. He is certainly good, and at times quite good. But he's not great. He's no Juan Tamariz or Bill Malone! He has a fairly "wooden" (shades of Al Gore) personality onstage, with an exaggerated, manufactured sincerity, at least to my sensibilities. He can come off as quite personable, but rarely with a lot of charisma. The performances on the Early Ammar videos seem like he is about to fall asleep! As a performer he is quite competent, but certainly lacks "the Vernon touch."

Vernon excelled in virtually every facet of the magical arts: as a performer, inventor, teacher, writer, mentor, advocate. No one person alive today who comes even close to his accomplishments in all of these areas, though I suppose it's interesting subject for conversation.
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Further, Ammar is not a particular inventive magician, with most of his published material coming from others. So on that score he is certainly not even in the top 20 of magical inventors today.

Scorch, I agree with everything you said except the comment about Ammar not being even in the top 20 of magical inventors today.

Do others feel this way?

Maybe I'm too impressed with Ammar's talents.
I'd love to hear your replies.

L2L
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I'm curious as to what Ammar invented?

If it's the "dumb ass smile", I think that was here long before him.Smile


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On 2005-10-20 15:33, love2laugh wrote:
Scorch, I agree with everything you said except the comment about Ammar not being even in the top 20 of magical inventors today.


Name three effects or sleights that he invented that are in the common performance repertoire of magicians.

I can't even think of one. All of the effects that I have seen on his videos and lecture notes are from other people.
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In some ways, Ammar stands for all that is wrong with magic today.


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The correct answer to the question is Jay Sankey.
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Jay Sankey!
Why didn't I think of him, it's so obvious!
Good work asper!


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Well considering that I never had the pleasure and honor to meet Dai- I couldn't possibly compare him truly with any other magi. HOWEVER I do know of his skill and dedication to the art. And with that- I make this claim and cast my vote.

John Calvert.

A man who loves the art and still to this DAY performs it. Lives it. Has known nothing else but magic conjuring, acting, and you can't forget the airplanes:) I had the distinct honor of spending more time with this man than I deserved. He gave me some of the greatest advice, but was also brutally honest about the business. Much like Dai Vernon was. He (Dai) would; fact based on rumor; tell you if your doing 'it' wrong. 'It' being the move. Calvert did the same for me. He taught me what I should learn. Not what was popular, but what gave him the success he came to know. He was a USO performer also as I am. He gave me the best advice yet pertaining to performing large scale shows for the troops. And for that- I thank him. He will always be in my mind- considered one of the greatest. Most influential. I know that I probably won't get to see him for a while. And that does sadden me. But anyway: I cast my vote for John Calvert!

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Nope, it's not Calvert. You're wrong. And if you really understood Vernon, you wouldn't mention Calvert. Calvert's an interesting chap, but I wouldn't say he's the current Professor. (Based on his boat stories, he sounds more like a Gilligan).

Jay Sankey is the answer. If you mentioned David Neighbors, I'd give you an honorable mention, as he's the next in line after Sankey.

In the words of Richard Kaufman, "Period. End of Discussion. Topic Closed."
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On 2005-10-22 09:38, asper wrote:
The correct answer to the question is Jay Sankey.


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That was a joke right? I mean, I like some of his stuff but, come on!
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I know Jay and have met him on several occasions. With all due respect to him- he's not the answer. He creates fast little effects. His book is just that as well- fast little impromptu tricks. No real skill needed. Some of it's good- some well... good quick stuff?----> yes! Good guy-----> yes! The next Vernon?----> negative. You earn that respect, and Jay needs to stay in it like 50 more years!

Showmanship, and respect to the art- Calvert. I was comparing Calvert and Dai with showmanship, charm, and compassion for magic as a whole. Not how many effects he has come up with or what he puts out to the magic fraternity just to make a few extra bucks. *cough---> Penguin Magic.... Anywho moving right along..

Plus- you're saying I'm wrong; when it was clearly an opinionated question. And if you REALLY understood my comment and it's relevance- then you would see that I wasn't claiming anything. Merely stating my opinion. Why don't you just name and hail Blaine as the next in line after Sankey???? Seems that that's your line of thinking.

Personally I may see this all wrong, but to me your comment implied that you were punning against Calvert. Of which I totally RESPECT you for your opinion and all. But until you personally meet, greet, and spend time (actual time) with him- your perception of him is wrong. He is a living walking legend. Who deserves much credit.

Alex Linan- you are correct in your reply! It is a laugh out loud manner. Give credit when credit is due. Calvert is 93- he's already earned it in my opinion.
I personally found his yacht- not boat stories interesting. Read his biography for more of them!!! Denny Haney has a whole bunch of them! DennyMagic.com Best biography on a magician.

Wow this is a first- I've actually gotten 'heated' over a mere post on the Internet. Ha- keep in touch, and sorry if this seemed controversial in any way. It's not like your going to receive a reward from the Magic Castle for best debater.

As Jeff Sheridan would say, "Simple, easy.... done."

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On 2005-10-17 13:34, love2laugh wrote:
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On 2005-10-08 11:15, vinsmagic wrote:
Chak?????? your list ain't worth JACK.LOL..............
with out the godfather of magic of on that list....
vinny

I think you should be in the list Vinny! You are very helpful to all of us here on the Café. You are awesome! I VOTE THAT VINNY IS THE DAI VERNON OF THE MAGIC Café!!!! Smile


We all respect The Godfather and what he has done here on the cafè. We all care for
The Godfather, and love what he do.

But that, dear L2L, is a sorry attempt of ass-kissing. No-one can
live up to Dai Vernon's name, and you disrespect his name by making such a
comparison.

Vinny is a creative and helpful man, and I respect him as the friend he is to me.
But to compare him to Dai Vernon would be as to compare me with Bill Gates. Dai
Vernon was a master of his art, he lived for the magic. He became Magic.

I truly believe that nobody will ever be able to live up to Dai Vernon's name... We
should all respect him, and leave it with that.
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And with that being said ... this post should be closed.....
There will never be another Dai Vernon......
L2L was just making a joke,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Hey if I should live well into my 90s who knows LOL..................


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I met Dai Vernon but I never saw him perform except on a video. I know that later in his life he "used" his age in his presentation "Well I'm an old man now, my fingers don't work like they used to, I don't really do magic any more." And then perform a rings or cups routine that anyone else would be proud of.

What I was wondering was, back when he was relatively "young," when he first started performing in the Close Up Gallery at the Castle, what was his presentation? I notice that in writeups by Ganson and so on, or his Cups and Balls, or later the Chronicles, his presentation contained lines like "Put the card anywhere you like; it makes no difference to me," or the well known "They say that the quickness of the hand deceives the eye but I propose to perform slowly and deliberately so you can see exactly how the trick is done." So there was always the subtext that what he was doing was no big deal. As a presentational device. Quite different from the admonition we often get to make our magic important. Am I interpretating what I read correctly, that he made his magic more magical by downplaying his own abilities and the importance of magic in general, so that his mastery of the craft, the "attention to detail that shows no detail" was more powerful by comparison?

If so, or if not, is there any magician working today who emulates Vernon in his prime *presentationally*?
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Quite honestly, there was and there is no one like Dai! He was truly one of a kind!

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Most of us don't have the time or opportunity to meet, and greet, and spend time, sorry, make that, spend "actual" time with the various contenders for Dia's crown.

But really.

I mean the whole thing about meeting the guy, and the guy giving you business advice, and you being a uso performer like him, and you're not even worthy of his attention, and then you're steamed because a guy says you're wrong, and then you're dumping on Sankey cause he likes the money, and Sankey better be in magic for 50 years so he can earn some respect, and they you go off on Blaine?

Did you let the guy give you a haircut too?

You gotta show a little objectivity, eh.

Here's what I found on the internet (whatever that is):

Calvert: In our show we opened with a very fast routine of magic. I've had magicians come back and say " Hello John. You do in the first three minutes in your show (what) I could do in an hour." I said, "where are you working?" (Laughs) So we do a lot of fast magic we call magic variety in the first three minutes. Then we shoot a girl out of a cannon into a space capsule. We cut a man's head of with a buzz saw and put it back on. Out in Hollywood many years ago, Danny Kaye, was in my show and came out and impersonated Hitler. Then the marines would come out and grabbed him, put him in the buzz saw and we'd cut his head off, put his head in a sausage grinder, and out came German Wieners (Laughs). Now we still carry the buzz saw, cutting a man's head off I've done for years. As a matter of fact I originated it. Another thing that is my own and no one else does the flying organ. Tammy, who's my wife, plays the console or the pipe organ, it floats about the stage and then it floats over the heads of the audience.

Yes, the famous Vernon Touch: German Wieners!

So why is everyone so down on Sankey?

He's Canadian like Dia and he does have the 'touch' for making to-the-point effects that are simpllified and that look magical.

You can call them quick. Quick like what? Like shooting a girl out of a canon and cutting Hitlers head off, and putting it through a sausage grinder, and doing more in the first three minutes of a show than some do in an hour?

The king is dead, long live king Sankey.

A.

Yacht!

That's the sound of my cat coughing up a hair-ball. I don't want to hear 'yacht' stories, ick!

I'm sorry for posting back-to-back, but I'm a little heated ( not "heated") about the disrespect dirrected towards Sankey.

Does he own a boat?

Does he own a plane?

What does that have to do about what we're talking about?

Was Dia Vernon a constant 93 years of age? How do you earn it?

Sankey!

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