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Bill Palmer
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When you have more than 5000 posts, you aren't posting this to increase your post count, you are posting it because some unenlightened soul didn't try looking first.

A perfect example is the one recently posted in the busking forum, called Permits?

If they had searched using the word permit, they would have found the thread that they have been referred to.

Try searching on "cups and balls" just once. See what you find.

Here's one that, as far as I'm concerned, shows the ultimate in laziness.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......30&1

I googled Yigal Mesika and found the information. I'm not going to post it on the forum. If someone wants the information, he or she can google it as well.

If you count the keystrokes it took the original poster to ask the question and compare it to the 16 keystrokes it would take to google it, this shows not laziness, but a lack of initiative.

I realize that his web site isn't on the first page. It's a bunch of dealers there, but when you find his web site on the second page, it is pretty obvious which one it is.

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On 2005-08-06 23:38, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2005-08-06 15:37, Bill Palmer wrote:...I guess Persi Diaconis would have no respect on the Café -- Harry Riser often refers to the book as Erdnase in normal conversation. I recall the Professor doing the same thing.


Persi is smart enough to know the difference between calling it "erdnase" and "Erdnase"=author. For the young...


Young and smart are not necessarily exclusive. (Not that I'm young. Nor would I claim to be smart.)

Most hobbies or professions have their own understood shorthand. And "Erdnase" is often to be used as understood shorthand for "Expert at the Card Table". And, more to the point, that isn't the privilege of some inner coterie of magic. If it's ok for PD to say it, it's ok for me to say it.

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John Cass
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One way to lose respect permanently is to show your hindquarters to the whole forum, leave, come back and leave almost instantly.
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Oooo.... very cutting John. And I thought you were a roll model Smile

Mind you it's happened before with the fellow in question, so no real suprises there. I think some people just get more upset/intense over board type things and need longer to chill than others.
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"I got $10 for my birthday, what should I buy?"

"I want the exact same thing I saw McBride do. But I don't want to spend over $50..."

"I need it for a paid show this Saturday"
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Those are typical! Gotta laugh!

Posted: Sep 3, 2005 11:16am
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On 2005-08-15 16:04, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2005-08-14 19:45, ringmaster wrote:...When you give a character a proper name you still have to capitalize it.

Agreed Ringmaster. My issue is with those who mistake the obvious non-name for a single real person who wrote the text and who then proceed to make comment about the mindset etc of that person, who may in fact be many people including an editor or two. It would be fun and amusing for all if they were not serious about it. In literary theory this is a case of a text creating its author in the minds of the readership. A feat worthy of Umberto Eco. Again, laudable were it not in the community of magicians who are supposed to be far beyond such things.

Sort of like that one classic episode of "M.A.S.H." about the imaginary Lt. Tuttle? (If you happened to see it.)
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"I got $10 for my birthday, what should I buy?"

Sounds like a kid wanting to spend his/her new found gain on a wise choice. Why lose respect? I bought Mark Wilson's Cyclopedia of Magic for $1 at a second hand store. A set of sponge balls at $4.95. Two decks of Bikes at Wally World for $3. Right there under $10 I got something going. A chance to guide a youngster in the right direction, yes, loss of respect, no.

No disrespect intended.
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That's a good perspective you are coming from. We all gotta' start somewhere. My first effects purchased were "Color Changing Ball to square" and "Proffesors Nightmare", and a little packet efect involving four queens. Not exactly an auspicious start, but it has led me to this point after twenty or thirty years.

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On 2005-08-01 19:47, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
Try this well-worn approach:

"Hi, I'm the GREATEST in the world! I've done more for this art than any man living; YOU know it; I know it! I invented EVERYTHING and did it BETTER than anyone else! You say you invented that effect?!? Come to the convention with your videos and press clippings to prove it, and I'll bring mine to prove you wrong!
I know everything, I never lie and I'm always right! I'm a pro and you're a coackroach whose name I never heard of, you insignificant pleb!
Bow down before me!"

Don't you just love those types?

Steve



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Who's Mark?
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My 2% of $1.00 is really bad spelling and grammer.
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I'm going bizarre and want to get some use of my old children's show props. Any suggestions? I already fingured out how to dye the old costume black and curl the toes on the big shoes.
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On 2005-09-03 17:36, Jerrine wrote:
"I got $10 for my birthday, what should I buy?"

Sounds like a kid wanting to spend his/her new found gain on a wise choice. Why lose respect? I bought Mark Wilson's Cyclopedia of Magic for $1 at a second hand store. A set of sponge balls at $4.95. Two decks of Bikes at Wally World for $3. Right there under $10 I got something going. A chance to guide a youngster in the right direction, yes, loss of respect, no.

No disrespect intended.


WHAT???? Smile !!!!

You could have saved another $5 up, and bought a packet trick at Penguin Magic.

No disrespect intended Smile
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While I agree that someone asking for information that can be readily found with a little effort is annoying, there is something that I intensely dislike: when someone asks for members' opinions about some aspect of magic, invariably, a long-time user will chime in with, "That topic has already been discussed here; use the search function." The unspoken message is, "Everything of any value can that can be said about the topic has already been said. Stop wasting our time." Well, I'm sorry, but new members are joining all the time, and many of them might have something valuable to say, regardless of whether or not others have already expressed their opinion. What's more, people change their minds, learn something new, have a life-altering experience, etc., and might have a different opinion now than when the topic was originally discussed. If you don't feel like adding your thoughts to a thread, don't, but don't be so patronizing and condescending as to assume that just because a topic has been discussed before, there's nothing new that anyone can add.
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One way is to use "chat room English." Ppl who don't have enuf courtesy 2 spell out words can really make you hurl.

Other things along this line -- PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALL CAPS! Hey, that's shouting, man!

and people who write in all lowercase. maybe it's supposed to be cool or something. you have a shift key. USE IT!
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On 2005-09-05 11:58, jwebyra wrote:
My 2% of $1.00 is really bad spelling and grammer.
Smile As a moderator on another site, I agree! I like the way you spelled grammar to make your point.

I also lose respect for those who berate, belittle, or otherwise disrespect people for merely expressing an opinion that does not harm anyone else.
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On 2005-09-06 23:40, Phaedrus wrote:
..."That topic has already been discussed here; use the search function." The unspoken message is, "Everything of any value can that can be said about the topic has already been said. Stop wasting our time." ... If you don't feel like adding your thoughts to a thread, don't, but don't be so patronizing and condescending as to assume that just because a topic has been discussed before, there's nothing new that anyone can add.

I agree that some of these messages could be a little more gentle, but I don't agree with the "unspoken message" you're getting. I really don't think the people who post "do a search" think that there's nothing new to add. There's nothing to prevent people from adding to the old thread instead of starting a new one.

When folks don't use the search and just start a new topic - all the information in the previous threads is essentially ignored in favor of the new thread, resulting in a lot of extra effort to get back to the same level of discussion in the older thread. It's certainly a different story if a search doesn't result in an answer to your question - but even then, I'd think it a lot more valuable to everyone to add your question or observation to an existing pertinent thread so the existing topic keeps building instead of starting from scratch each time.
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One thing that gets me, regarding the lack of the use of searches, is when you go to one of your favorite sections of the forum and you see a topic that reads "What is your favorite _____?" and two topics below it is one that says
"My favorite _____"

If you don't pay attention, you are never going to be worth beans at this.
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Repeats...Repeats and Repeats. I am starting to see the same questions over and over. There is really some good stuff here if one does a search.
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I just think it's such a stupid name- Dai Vernon! What good can a magician be with a name like that? It should be something cool like "Magical Me".
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