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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
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If you think about it, Brian, a lot of things were mentioned for the first time in this thread. This statement accomplishes nothing. Quote:
"Bass" have been mentioned in the thread several times. 'Bass' and 'subwoofer' are not the same thing. Most 8" and up speakers have bass response and reproduce frequencies down to 50hz. Plenty of bass for full sounding music. Subwoofers primarily come into play if you want to FEEL the bass, rather than hear it. Not at all relevant to this thread. Start a new one to discuss that, or head to an audio forum. Quote:
You brought it on yourself by making assumptions again. There is lot of it going on in this thread. That is why I posted the photo images earlier. I wanted to show proof. Your photos show a clown with children. Nothing about hip hop was stated or implied, and again, is irrelevant to Tim and the OP. Quote:
You still do not know my target. I am being flexible to different crowds. Some gigs I will use no music. Some gigs I will use music. Some gigs I will use music with hip hop. Then your system will be a jack of all trades, master of none. Quote:
Tim is doing the right thing by asking the clerks questions. You will never know if you will never ask. I hope success for Tim. If you fail to plan you plan to fail. Tim should be asking audio professionals in additional to sales reps. Sales reps are tasked with the job of selling for profit margin. Audio professionals have no stake in the products being sold. There are a few in this thread. There are many, many more in Audio forums. He should be asking this question there. |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2015, Tim Friday wrote: Tim, it's awesome that you're learning the proper terms. Trust me when I tell you that many of us in this thread know the proper terms. Dynamic, condenser, and ribbon are the three kinds of mics, each designed to different purposes in live and studio audio applications. Your clarification regarding XLR vs "balanced connection" is correct, except that I haven't seen anybody use it incorrectly here. "XLR input/output" is a term I've seen a lot, which is a correct description of the input and/or output jack on many speakers and mixers that accept XLR. All XLR cables support a balanced audio signal. |
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Tim Friday Elite user 485 Posts |
As luck would have it I found another Fender Passport listed on Craigslist. It is a passport deluxe pd250 plus. It is in excellent condition as you can see in the photos and videos on the sellers website: http://wallflowerweddingphotography.zenfolio.com/p975947776
It is ok that it is a few years old because this is such a robust system!!! They listed it for $300, which is already $95 less then the other similar one I saw listed. I spoke to them and told them eBay completed listings price is a little less and we agreed on a price of $275. I just bought it so I am set for now. This is an ideal system for a solo traveling performer. The speakers are setup similar to a Bose system. Since I also got my new mic today now I will be ready for the show I'm doing later this month that could have 300 people in attendance! I even stayed under budget. It might be nice to have a smaller system for shows in homes when it is an audience of 20 to 100 people, maybe one day I will get lucky and pick up a used Bose L1 compact. but now I am set for the really large shows! |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
Very nice Tim. Good luck to you, I will not be posting in this thread again.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Well Done Tim.
It’s good to see you got what you wanted. Go get em. Tom
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: ...but not what he asked about and what information was offered. What a shame. We'll see how long until Tim is back here after experiencing limitations. This is a great example of price prevailing over, needs and quality. Good luck Tim, glad you're happy with your purchase. |
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Tim Friday Elite user 485 Posts |
The Line 6 mic came with a nice zippered pouch for the mic and transmitter however I need some sort of bag for the receiver and balanced connection cable, then I will be set...
Until I find a used Bose L1 compact I might invest in a Roland CM-30 that Michael Messing mentioned for the smaller gigs. It looks like a rich man's Happie Amp. I might eventually upgrade my Fender passport to a Bose L1 S1 with the B1 base... |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2015, Dynamike wrote: Why not steer him to garage sales too while you are at it. |
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Tim Friday Elite user 485 Posts |
I gave my new fender passport a thorough test run tonight. I had the L & R master volume on 5. What is learned is I could not turn my mic on channel 1 up more than 3 without getting feedback. I turned all the EQ settings down all the way on that channel and was able to turn it up to 4 but any higher I got feedback.
However I was able to turn the master volume up much more and increased the volume with no feedback. For some reason increasing the channel 1 mic volume greatly increases the feedback... I am using a brand new XLR cable and my mic receiver was sitting on the floor right in front of the board. |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
Tim, Pm sent.
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latentimage Elite user No More Room In Hell.. 440 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2015, Mindpro wrote: I would like to find a PA system that goes to 11. Not just on the first channel, but all across the board. A lot of guys will be doing a show on 10, but where do you go from there? 11 would be perfect. That's 1 louder.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Ask Mike and Tim.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 9, 2015, Allen Michael wrote: Wow that was funny! I was wondering who was going to put that reference in.
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Taterini Special user 604 Posts |
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On Jun 8, 2015, Tim Friday wrote: Hey Tim - It was a simple case of overdriving the power amp section with the preamp levels being higher than the power amp. This causes distortion that you may or may not have heard and this tends to produce the feedback result you were experiencing. It's the same with an electric guitar and amplifier... If you want to get a dirty raunchy tone with a good tube amp you crank the preamp volume (channel volume control) to somewhere close to ten and have the main volume control (power amp section) down lower than the preamp section (channel volume). This will allow you to get the desired overtones and distortion many players desire in a bluesy sort of guitar tone like the Allman Bro., Warren Haynes, Eric Clapton's "woman tone", etc... If on the other hand you want a cleaner sound you would crank up the power amp section (master volume) and dial down the preamp section (channel volume). The higher headroom you have to work with in the power amp section the cleaner sounding and less feedback you will experience. Another thing to remember for you "novice/rookie sound men" is that most feedback is not usually caused by the higher treble tones but are more often caused by the mid and bass registers. This is a typical rookie mistake when trying to EQ a room... to run for and turn down the higher treble tone control when feedback is heard. There is equipment and ways to predetermine or set a room's EQ requirements/limitations but that would take way more time and effort than I care to get into on this forum. There are several sites on the internet that go in depth with FREE information explaining how to properly set-up and run a PA system. I would encourage anyone just starting out to seek them out and read the basics and then go from there... it will save you time and make you seem much more professional if your system does not squeak and squawk from feedback during your performances. I hope this helps - |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
I thinks it's hilarious after all of the (terrible) "expert advice" he offered this now appears:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=11 Way to go "team"! Again, be careful who you listen to... |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
What's wrong? Anything I can help you with?
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
What has become obvious to me, is that "sound" is a topic that is not well understood and overlooked by most. I wonder where most of us would rank it relative to importance of other aspects of our performance. My guess is that most of us do not ever consider the quality of the sound we project. Most just consider if the music or voice can be heard. I have been in that camp, and when I made my purchases, did so with little consideration of optimizing the sound quality. The Bose L1 was small, looked interesting and above all was presented to me as a more "dummy proof" system than the Large Fender Passport I inherited. I always found the Passport to produce a sound that was a bit hallow and it was too big for smaller gigs. I had no interest in battery operated systems. The cost of the Bose being overpriced (for what it is) was immaterial to me because I believe even if one is charging $200, showing up with a low end product is doing yourself a disservice. I paid for a Bose with 3 shows and never looked back (at least not with respect to cost).
One can only give advice that is based upon their knowledge and experience. So, I would say I can speak to use of these consumer grade products for kid shows in just about every venue type. It is valuable for each of us to share our knowledge and experience as well. That being said, we are not all equal to knowledge and experience, which is why coming to the Café has such value. As Mindpro points out though, it is only valuable to the degree one understands the limitations of the ones offering advice. What I found interesting in the discussion was that few acknowledged limitations of the main system they use with respect to sound quality, or their own limitations when it comes to mastery of the subject. This, I found troubling because it demonstrates a lack of perspective. Also, most of us were only offering perspectives based upon one type of market. The kids performers market seemed void of anyone using professional grade equipment, which I found interesting. I know Mindpro has professional relationships with those that do so, so his recommendation of the JBL EON's 15" I found to be the product I would strongly consider as a upgrade opportunity. As he warned, many of us move through systems we purchase based upon cost or ease when we gain a better appreciation for performance. I am pleased to see that the discussion did spark interest in us seeking to better optimize the equipment we own. |
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Tim Friday Elite user 485 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2015, charliecheckers wrote: I agree, I posted what my needs were, the types of performances I do, and I feel that for the most part my particular needs were not heard by many, and rather they stuck to their guns about the equipment they recommend. This could be because this thread became a debate of Pro equipment vs All-in-one equipment. Quote:
On Jun 13, 2015, charliecheckers wrote: I beg to differ on this point. Michael Messing recommended the Roland CM-30. I believe this is a product good for smaller shows and still considered Pro Grade equipment. Also I mentioned a powered speaker by Dawn, however I am not sure if it is considered Pro Grade. Quote:
On Jun 13, 2015, charliecheckers wrote: I tested a JBL Eon 515 at a locally owned music store. So far my largest show is 300 people. This JBL product is just way more than I care to deal with right now, Take two of these to load in and load out of every show, I don't know how you could keep doing it unless you have a helper. I had found a DJ with two newer JBL Eon 515xt's with speaker stands and a cable to daisy chain and he would have sold them to me for $500. But I had to be honest with myself and it was just way more than I need at this point in my career. While the Fender Passport PD-250 I got is quite heavy and takes up a lot of room, it is more portable and the shape makes it a little easier to stow in my car. Plus the $275 price I got for was a major deciding factor. So I am going to get my feet wet with the Passport, Maybe I will upgrade later, but for now this will meet my needs. |
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2015, Tim Friday wrote: Yes, I stand corrected. Michael also did a nice job pointing out the compromises with the various systems. Quote:
I tested a JBL Eon 515 at a locally owned music store. So far my largest show is 300 people. This JBL product is just way more than I care to deal with right now, Take two of these to load in and load out of every show, I don't know how you could keep doing it unless you have a helper. I had found a DJ with two newer JBL Eon 515xt's with speaker stands and a cable to daisy chain and he would have sold them to me for $500. But I had to be honest with myself and it was just way more than I need at this point in my career. Portability is a factor for me as well, but for my larger shows delivering quality sound is a area I could stand to improve in. |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
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On Jun 13, 2015, Tim Friday wrote: So far mine has been approximately 15,000. http://www.dynamikemagic.com/references/......rica.pdf Take my word, I was not using a Happie Amp. The organization had a radio station crew set up all the sound equipment. Quote:
This JBL product is just way more than I care to deal with right now, Take two of these to load in and load out of every show, I don't know how you could keep doing it unless you have a helper. I had found a DJ with two newer JBL Eon 515xt's with speaker stands and a cable to daisy chain and he would have sold them to me for $500. But I had to be honest with myself and it was just way more than I need at this point in my career. I know exactly what you are talking about. We are a family entertainer team going to multiple venues a day. The gig might be upstairs, in the basement, across a field, etc. If we had one only one gig a day like most DJs that would be a different story. Quote:
While the Fender Passport PD-250 I got is quite heavy and takes up a lot of room, it is more portable and the shape makes it a little easier to stow in my car. Plus the $275 price I got for was a major deciding factor. So I am going to get my feet wet with the Passport, Maybe I will upgrade later, but for now this will meet my needs. You made the right choice. We want something that is portable. I agree the Passport PD-250 is heavy. The Venue is about 20 pounds lighter. I only use it for medium and large crowds. I stay with the Happie Amp for smaller crowds. I am glad we could help you decide what professional sound system is best for you. Make a million. |
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