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Mehtas
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Here is my idea on how to make it.

Have a look at the following picture.

The block is made must like shown in the picture. Hole is drilled from the side.

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Push nail, bolt or anything you like. Place it into big steam oven those big furniture firms have.

Take it out of the oven when it gets soft and straighten it a bit. Put it back in the oven again and repeat the same until it gets into the shape. It might be swollen or out of shape from the sides but that you can rub it down when the wood is dry.

What do you guys think of this ?

I can't see any other way to make this impossible puzzle.

The makers said wood is not bent or twisted. here we are straightening
out the wood and not bending it Smile

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Thanks for your solution !
Unfortunately, I am not sure this is the solution...
It might probably work but as I understand, you put the whole block with the prisoner object in oven ?
The maker of puzzle say he can for example put a lighter instead of nail/bolt !
This mean the plastic lighter will melt Smile

So you start with the block as shown on picture and insert anything.
After, maybe just the right teeth can be steamed and straighten ! So the trapped object won't get hurt.

Can probably work ! I am still thinking of another way....

Nicolas
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Nicolas,

I havent tried this method out but it might be possible that you can straighten the block in ONE GO.

Push anything you want inside the block and fix it on a vise to dry it out.


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I think you are far better off bending the last chunk sideways, instead of bending it down.
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However its bend. the basic solution is just what I mentioned.

This might not be a DIY item. I've asked the maker how much will he charge me to get one made and shipped to U.K

it was around $100

I think I can relax now and put aside my thoughts about solving how to get the nail in the middle of the block.

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Mehtas, don't put aside your thoughts yet ! Smile

I think your solution will work for this "tooth and nail" :
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/Sc......ible.jpg

BUT will not work with the following one :
http://www.johnrausch.com/PuzzleWorld/pu......il_1.jpg

In the second case, it is unbendable !
I just tried to bend a small piece of white pine, boiled in the water for 15min:
Impossible to bend ! Now I don't know if white pine is soft wood but I could not bend a small thin piece !! Chosing the right wood, it will probably work for the first case (and maker has to be quick to drill hole !); But not the second one...

What about this solution for the second "tooth and nail" :
Step 1 : The bloc is build (same shape has showed) but in a way the nail can easely be inserted.
Step 2 : The nail is inserted (obviously can be taken out easely).
Step 3 : The all thing is drawn in water for a day, and the wood will expand in water; The nail beeing now locked inside...
Step 4 : Put oil on wood so it will not shrink => Definitive impossible object !

Might work or not ?

Nicolas
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Check the grain in the first picture
...to all the coins I've dropped here
Mehtas
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Nicolas,

The wood is steamed and not boiled. steam will dissolv some of the bonds between fibers allowing them to realign.

You know that steam is even hotter than boiling watter. I am not expert in this sort of job but I've heard that you only steam the wood and not boil it in order to bend the wood.

And you wont be able to do it on top of a kettle Smile


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On 2005-08-03 10:33, Sapient wrote:
I think you are far better off bending the last chunk sideways, instead of bending it down.

Then how would you bend the following model sideways ?? That one looks even more impossible than all the other we have seen so far, and I think its the best one.

http://baxterweb.com/ipp17/images/puzzles/bobroff.jpg


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I wouldn't bend that one sideways. But the first one I would.
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Got this info from a website regarding a DIY method.

TRY IT.

Microwaving Wood to Bend it

Basically this is just steaming, and is used for small pieces of stock. You wrap the stock with a wet paper towel and microwave for a few seconds. The microwave heats the wood and water just like a steam box. The time will vary depending on your microwave, the species of wood, the wood’s moisture, the dimensions of the wood, etc. You will have to experiment to find the proper amount of time, start out with 15-20 seconds and work you way up from there.
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Thanks Mehtas, this last picture is incredible !!
And there is no hole on extreme teeth like in this one http://www.johnrausch.com/PuzzleWorld/pu......il_1.jpg

Just when I think I had the solution :-(
I see that the wood used is Walnut (again !). Walnut is a very hard wood, as I understand not possible to bend it ! But it will swell or shrink a lot with water...
So I though a second solution :
step 1 : Pick a walnut wood that is green and not dried !
step 2 : Cut the teeth in wood and drill hole thru ALL teeth (except one extreme)
step 3 : Insert nail easely thru hole that are a little larger
step 4 : Dry the wood which will shrink a lot and lock the nail inside
No boiling, steaming and bending...

But it won't work with this new picture http://baxterweb.com/ipp17/images/puzzles/bobroff.jpg
How the holes where drilled !!?

I will try the microwave on basswood Smile Pine is definitvely not moving (I drawn it all night in water, not moving)

Starting all over again....
Nicolas
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Here is another picture, I think this one the making is again different...

http://www.geocities.com/ea1ii/images/ma......Nail.JPG
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My fault ! After some search, it look like walnut has an excellent steam-bending classification, and oak also Smile
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Someone has agreed to make one for me.

Finger crossed

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I just found a nice piece of ash wood in a wood shop.
Ash as excellent steam-bending classification, better than walnut as used (I think...) on many "tooth and nail" we see here.

I cut small piece in a U form to simplify the global form. The base of U is half an inch. I have drawn it in boiling water for 40 minutes ! (I have read many time that boiling or steaming leads to the same result)
And the result is : Unbendable !!! I could no bend it at all Smile

So I guess this is not the method. Bending wood for such small piece is I think not possible.

Mehtas, tell us what you think when you receive it !

Nicolas
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Boiling wood will not get you the same result as steaming. I'm surprised this thing is still going. Bending wood is not rocket science and has been around for a LONG time. It extemely simple as matter of fact.

http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Rx......ood.html

http://www.megspace.com/lifestyles/njmarine/Steam.html

http://www.garrettsbridges.com/bendingwood.html

http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders......ood.html

http://www.danenbergboatworks.com/steam_bending.htm
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Thanks Vandy Grift for your help !

I had already read those links/articles and much more...

Nowhere have they said, steaming is better than boiling! Or maybe steaming is better for the following reason:
* More practical for larger pieces.
* Steamed wood also absorbs less water so it dries more quickly

But no where I can read that steamed wood bend easier.
Maybe I miss some informations. I will try when I can find some time to steam bend for small piece (but I don’t expect a miracle Smile)
Also from all I have read, I think it not possible to bend such small thick piece as "tooth and nail".

Even if we take the "tooth and nail" uncut and 4x longer, it will then more than probably bend (it is 3 inch thick !) a little. Then cut everything for tooth and nail...but the hole won't be drilled perfectly horizontal because of the curve wood !

Anyway, I will continue my wood bending experience, but I am no sure this is the solution. Or yes but in another way....

Nicolas
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You are right. Boiling will get you there, I always thought steam was better because it uses the water in a molecular form. But I guess boiling can work. I stand corrected in that aspect.
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The method to this puzzle was explained this weekend on the pbs show the woodwright shop. The block is cut out of (I believe he said bass wood?) and the last tooth is placed in boiling water for ten minutes. It is then immediately put in a vice and compressed, and left in this position for two days till dry. when removed from the vice you drill the hole and insert the nail in the two middle teeth. Then return the block to boiling water and it will return to its original shape.
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