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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
And your Sugar smacks...and your Cocoa Crispies...and your Honeycomb...and your Count Chocula....
I never felt it my place to tell anybody else how to eat. Especially goes for telling them to eat like I do. I want everyone to excersise their own freedom as I have. I don't preach. We are all adults and we all make our own decisions. But when folks say organic doesn't work, then I have to differ because I know very intimately what it has done for me. That is, saved my life. Cheers!
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
A field of 10,000 lettuce or 600 cattle.
The lettuce incures massive growing/transportation costs for a calorie value of -100. you work it out veggies! Now, mass produced lettuce .40, organic lettuce .65 You should pay .65 and buy a normal lettuce not a genetically selected breed, selected for growth speed, pest resistance and look. Buy the organic breed selected for taste, after all you are going to eat it and not frame it.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Again, I didn't say an organic diet was bad, I said it was unnecessarily expensive. I'd be willing to wager that the changes you experienced (and I don't doubt that you experienced them) came from the fact that you changed the types of foods you were eating. I don't think it had anything to do with the way the foods you began eating were produced. The "organic" production of the food you eat is correlated with the benefits you experienced, but that correlation does not equal causation.
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On 2005-08-04 18:55, daffydoug wrote: The freedom to believe whatever one wishes (a freedom I do not take lightly) doesn't convert annecdotal evidence into real science.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
And real science won't keep me healthy and vital. But my anecdotal evidence is doing a fabulous job, so I'll stick with that.
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Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
Hi Paul:
The Center for Science in the Public Interest has lots of facts that disagree with your last posting. Ron |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
One is likewise reminded of the fun regarding tobacco use and corrolations to some health risks. Such was questionalbe until recently even though there George Burns and many others lived to almost 100 years old as smokers, while many non-smokers died at lower ages.
Feel free to label whatever you want as lies or statistics. So, what about growth hormones, antibiotics and pesticides? They may have long term survival value to our species.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
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On 2005-08-05 19:27, Ron Reid wrote: Ron, At your prompting, I went to CPSI site, searched "organic", and looked through the results. However, I found not one single statement of fact or opinion (let alone "lots" of them) to indicate that organic food was healthier than non-organic food. I DID find claims that it was better for the environment and for the farmers who produce it (because they're exposed to fewer pesticides). I also found a number of warnings that consumers should realize that "organic" is not in and of itself a sign of "healthfulness", because food can be "organically high in fat" or "organically high in sugar". It seems clear from this that what you're paying extra for is the increased cost of less efficient, but supposedly eco-friendly farming, and not healthier food. I think it's also noteworthy that this position is taken by an organization widely criticized as being more interested in political agendas than sound science. The fact that EVEN the CSPI won't claim organic food is healthier for the individual speaks volumes.
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Of course, we could also look at what the USDA (which created the standards by which foods are labelled "organic") has to say about it.
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Is organic food better for me and my family? http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/Consumers/brochure.html
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
Consider organic hydroponically grown food, it is organic but grown in lab conditions so what is it classed as?
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Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
Hi Paul:
I haven't been to the CSPI's website, but do subscribe to their monthly newsletter. I think I've got some extra time today to look through the past issues to find the information on organics. Ron |
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
I'm going to the State Fair today. Are corndogs, cream puffs, fried pickles on a stick and beer organic? Because if they are I may go on a organic diet myself.
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
Personally, I've never been a big fan of food grown in untreated composted animal manure (even assuming that the grower has properly composted the manure). If you want the deadly animal bacteria on your food and risk being one of the hundreds of people killed every year by foodborne bacteria every year, that's your choice.
I guess nobody remembers back in 1996, when the US had one of the biggest outbreak of food poisoning cases ever. The culprits were found to be organic lettuce and unpasteurized apple juice. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I have questions about the long term exposure to hormones, pesticides and chemical fertilizer. As to "organic"... hey I grew veggies while living out in CT for a few years. The soil and bugs etc are real issues when growing crops. Labor and somewhat resource intensive work. I can see where pepsticides etc make sense to the farmers. The question remains how to get the best crops grown and make sure they are free of "stuff" when they get to market or dinner table.
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
The answer is hydroponics JT, the environment can be strictly controlled eliminating pests and disease and providing optimum growing conditions.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
Once again another word in our language has been changed to add to the already confused and ignorant masses.
I have always eaten organic (with a fair addition of chemicals and unidentifiables). Meat is Organic. Sorry folks but it is true. I have always been a meat eater and the meat that I eat is organic (it is derived from living matter). If one wants to be a Vegetarian, Fine. If one wants to be a Vegan, Fine. But for me I'll take my Organic nutrition in the form of a dead cow, chicken, pig or most any creature that is willing (or not so willing) to lay down its life so I can have a few moments of pleasure. Besides, have you ever tried to Barbeque a vegetable? We have teeth for tearing, ripping and knawing. God wanted man to eat meat (I'm not going to tell God he/she is wrong). Wasn't it Jesus who passed around the dead fish for all to enjoy? Iven
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Gede Nibo Inner circle 2447 Posts |
Religion has, ultimately NOTHING to do with such an endeavor my brother...but if you wish, the Bible (OT) is very specific which dead flesh to be consumed, and yes, fish is one of them...swine, however, is not (Deu 11 ?)...but I am certainly not here to entertain a religious dogmatic discussion...
whatever nutrients that are received from the carcass of some unfortunate candavor is received secondary, and therefore inferior to first hand intake hands down... and youre right, ultimately ALL is organic, having come from living matter in one shape or form...also, the word "organic" has indeed fell victim to the government and its many colorful definitions... just take good care of yourself, and all around you...simply...spread the love... |
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
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On 2005-08-08 15:58, irossall wrote: In some ways that statement is true, meat is organic when the animal is grown without the use of steroids. Also, a lot of chickens are grown with steroids and are kept in cages their whole lives. Their muscles are just pumped with chemicals and their muscles never get any work out besides moving around in their cages. Many cows are given these steroids so they can live shorter and get killed faster and produce the same amount of meat. And another thing, there's a saying among farmers, "the animal was mad when he died." Farmers can tell when the animal was scared when it died because the meat will look, smell, and taste bad and therefore is unusable. When you are mad, scared, or upset your body releases adrenaline and other chemicals. Those chemicals, though natural, go through the system of the animal when those emotions are triggered. One of the most common reasons that animals would experience fear is when they can see that they are about to be killed. Many cows are set up on assembly lines and are given a nail gun to the head in order to be killed. The cows can see their fate ahead of them and they give off the chemicals, and therefore those unnecessary chemicals are present in the meat when it is being cooked. The meat would be tougher, smell bad, and have a darker color to it. With organic meat, such as free range chickens, they are let to roam around and aren't caged. When they are killed they're just hit in the head without warning so the meat is more tender and has a better taste to it. There aren't as many bad chemicals in it either. |
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
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Those chemicals, though natural, go through the system of the animal when those emotions are triggered. One of the most common reasons that animals would experience fear is when they can see that they are about to be killed. Many cows are set up on assembly lines and are given a nail gun to the head in order to be killed. The cows can see their fate ahead of them and they give off the chemicals, and therefore those unnecessary chemicals are present in the meat when it is being cooked. The meat would be tougher, smell bad, and have a darker color to it. So I guess wounding and then tracking an animal would make the meat bad! I have had some real good venison.
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
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On 2005-08-08 16:56, Partizan wrote: The meat won't always be necessarily bad, but it will have extra toxins in it that wouldn't be there if the animal was killed quickly. What are you doing picking on wounded animals? |
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evolve629 Inner circle A stack of 3838 Posts |
No, I don't buy organic. But I'm 80 vegetarian and the rest is meat diet. The problem with eating meat is that the animals are not killed humanely. That's what bothers me the most when I eat meat. Of course, we have PETA and PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).
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