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Beezer109
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I have seen many magic shops sell like 10 ft of rope for like 20 bucks. Whats going on? You can just go to the hardware store an by 50 ft of rope for half the price! Does the type of rope matter?
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For what purposes and I think you mean 10 meters. I have never seen 10 feet for $20 but there are a couple of ropes that sell for $15-20 for 10 meters. Yes, it can make a difference in visiblity on stage and other issues.
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I'm not sure about elsewhere but quite a few hardware stores in my area don't even sell cotton rope. More often it's nylon or other synthetic which is not so good for rope magic.

Maybe magic shops realize this and are capitalizing on that fact.
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I cary four different kinds of rope in my bag for performing four different magic tricks. My question to you is what rope tricks do you do, and how much do you charge to do those rope tricks, not all rope is created equal. I suggest you look at the "fiber optics" demo and try to do some of that stuff with hardware store rope.
Al

PS- I buy my cut and restore rope from Big Lots at $3 for 100 feet of 7/32" diameter soft cotton rope, if cheap is what you are looking for go to Big lots.
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The rope I buy is about $10 for 50 feet. But if the $20 has a much better feel, and it is not for a cut and restored type of effect, yes it is deffinatly worth it.
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Magic shops, in general, have a very limited target market. Even if paired with a costume shop there is not as much traffic which translates into sell revenue per square foot than most other retailers. It's natural to expect their prices to be marked up higher than a Home Depot, Wal-Mart, or hardware shop (not to mention an online retailer with almost zero overhead).

That said, $20 for 10 feet of rope seems like a lot.
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There are some things that dealers carry only for the customers convenience so they put a higher price on it. I mean do you buy decks of cards from your magic dealer? Mines got em but he charges about 4 bucks a pack for bikes. I assume the thinking is if I have to take up room with this stuff I better make some money on it. He dosen't sell many decks I'm sure. But he does have them there if someone really wants them.
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It comes down to this.... Magic wholesalers do not sell rope...therefore the magic shop has to buy there supply of rope elsewhere so they buy from walmart or the local hardware store and then resell to you so they have to mark it up to get there margin.
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On 2005-08-12 19:24, MagicB1S wrote:
It comes down to this.... Magic wholesalers do not sell rope...therefore the magic shop has to buy there supply of rope elsewhere so they buy from walmart or the local hardware store and then resell to you so they have to mark it up to get there margin.

Not true!
Posted: Aug 13, 2005 3:16am
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On 2005-08-12 17:43, Vandy Grift wrote:
There are some things that dealers carry only for the customers convenience so they put a higher price on it. I mean do you buy decks of cards from your magic dealer? Mines got em but he charges about 4 bucks a pack for bikes. I assume the thinking is if I have to take up room with this stuff I better make some money on it. He dosen't sell many decks I'm sure. But he does have them there if someone really wants them.

Not true, believe it or not, dealers cannot buy wholesale cheaper than what Wal-Mart sells Bicks. They must have made a special deal with US Playing Card Co. You can buy 2 decks at Wal-Mart for $3. A dealer wholesale for 1 deck is $2. They are not just marking up the price for a convenience product.

This is why Wal-Mart is driving out of business all retail stores in our country.
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A dealer wholesale for a single deck is $2???

I've seen tally ho's and bikes availible from $1.12-$1.37 a pack when bought by the gross, don't know where you getting the $2 figure.
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On 2005-08-12 17:43, Vandy Grift wrote:
There are some things that dealers carry only for the customers convenience so they put a higher price on it. I mean do you buy decks of cards from your magic dealer? Mines got em but he charges about 4 bucks a pack for bikes. I assume the thinking is if I have to take up room with this stuff I better make some money on it. He dosen't sell many decks I'm sure. But he does have them there if someone really wants them.


Not true, believe it or not, dealers cannot buy wholesale cheaper then what Wal-Mart sells Bicks. They must have made a special deal with US Playing Card Co. You can buy 2 decks at Wal-Mart for $3. A dealer wholesale for 1 deck is $2. They are not just marking up the price for a convenience product.

This is why Wal-Mart is driving out of business all retail stores in our country.


You can get bike decks for 2 for $3 at Walgreens as well. Even if dealers wholesale is 2 dollars a deck selling them for 4 bucks is still a larger margin that he has on most things in the store to be sure. I really think he only keeps them there for the convenience of the odd customer that may want a pack. I think he realizes most people who use a lot of cards will get them elsewhere. Same with rope.
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Did I miss something? When did this change to cards?

John
Posted: Aug 20, 2005 7:59pm
Oh Wait... I see where the transition happened. Sorry.

John
Gideon Sylvan
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I buy bikes for barly over a dollar.
You know you are a magician when you have boxes full of lecture notes you have never read, but still are excited about going out and buying more.

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At your magic shop?
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Bill Hegbli
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On 2005-08-14 22:39, Daegs wrote:
A dealer wholesale for a single deck is $2???

I've seen tally ho's and bikes availible from $1.12-$1.37 a pack when bought by the gross, don't know where you getting the $2 figure.


Add shipping to this and you are over the $1.50 per deck Wal-Mart sells the decks at. Remember, businesses need to make a profit.
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Kind of like the old gag of bringing out a "box" of cards and asking "Do you want to see a card trick? No/ Ok, I'll do a rope trick." Open the card box and remove a length of rope.

Only thing is in this thread someone took a deck of cards out of the rope.
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I don't do much rope magic, but I know I would much rather do stuff with magicians rope than normal rope. Normal rope is too stiff and hard to work with. I would just use magicians rope if I were you.
Steve V
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Compare the rope from the hardware store/big lots with the rope sold by Meir Yedid (sp?) and Chuck "The Hit Man" Leach and then you will see why one cost more.
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Magic shops have $.10 a foot 7/32" wide soft cotton rope, Big Lots has $.03 a foot 7/32" wide soft cotton rope. I use 8 feet of rope to do cut and restore for every show. I use about 1,500 feet a year. The magic store rope will cost me $150 a year, and Big Lots rope is only $30. For me it is a no brainer.
Thank you Big Lots
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I hope you stock up at Big Lots since they don't carry the same merchandise all the time. They carry whatever load they got at a good price and that is what you get to choose from.

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