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love2laugh Veteran user 374 Posts |
I've been working on my strike second deal for about 2 weeks now and am wondering how long it takes to master this effect? I currently practice this deal about 30 minutes per day.
Also, once you learn this slight do you need to practice almost every day to stay tuned up? My fear is that the second deal is such a difficult move that it needs a lot of maintenance practice to keep up the feel. Thank you in advance for your help, L2L |
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Andrew Loh Inner circle Malaysia 1455 Posts |
Hi L2L,
I think Strike Second Deal is the most easiests if compare to others Edrnase version, etc. At first, yes, it was not really smooth, but since then I everyday wake up in the morning and started to practise this deal, it becomes now second natural to me. I accomplished this around 2 weeks time, I am not really sure if you are facing the same thing like me, everytime I do this Strike Second Deal, I can't look my hand executing this, if I concentrate looking the spectators, then I can execute this deal effectively. All the best, Andrew Check out my new card magic eBooks "The Magnificent Queens" & "Triple Charms" at: www.cardicianden.com My Cardician Den Blog: http://pasteboards.blogspot.com/ |
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Nick23 Special user England 580 Posts |
I think Martin Nash said he practiced for a about a thousand hours before he got comfortable doing it. I doubt any of us will be able to get to his level though.
Nothing I do can't be done by a 10-year-old...with 15 years of practice."
-- Harry Blackstone, Jr. |
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JohnLamberti Elite user Los Angeles, CA 420 Posts |
I mastered it in an afternoon while watching reruns of The A-Team.
Then I woke up. |
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
It depends, what kind of strike deal are you trying to learn?
There are two schools: Walter Scott's - minimum brief, Carlyle's - large brief. Martin Nash is in favor of Scott's method and an absolute master in it. It will take a few months to learn. The other method, very easy. Just a few hours of practice to get the timing and you are set to go. |
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thecardman Loyal user Scotland 218 Posts |
Vernon said something very interesting - that the main thing to remember is not the size of the brief, but the rhythm of the deal.
If you watch the Revelations vides/DVDs, he talks about this, mentioning that the brief he uses is "the size of [the] case". As long as the rhythm is consistent (remembering that the technique should be spot-on, too!) then the size of the brief should be as small or as large as you feel comfortable with. As for how long to get the strike second right, well it took me a good few weeks to get it down so that it wasn't obvious what I was doing then another couple of months to get it so that it would fly by most people. Nowadays, I switch between the strike and the push-off deals. Good luck! Peter :)
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Mustang Veteran user London, England 316 Posts |
How long is a piece of string? I learned the strike second in 2 days or so, it jusdt clicked with me, but I wasn't happy with it, so I've been learning the push off second for over 2 years and it still doesn't look natural. Suffice to say I use the strike in performance, but just saying some things sit, some things don't, that's why its wonderful having so many different methods... fish around a bit.
"A magician is one who appreciates the difference between knowing how a trick is done, and knowing how to do a trick."
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T. Joseph O'Malley Inner circle Canada 1937 Posts |
I think it's like anything out there - piano playing, disco dancing, kung fu- you spend a few weeks/months/years learning the mechanics of it, and then a lifetime tweaking the subtleties and details. I don't know that anyone truly masters anything, and like any pursuit, if you don't use it, you lose it. Ever actually tried to ride a bicycle after a decade or so of not riding? It's NOT like the old adage says....
tjo'
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Steve Suss Inner circle 1193 Posts |
I learned the strike second many years ago and seldom use it today. I find it is the kind of thing you do all the time or don't do at all. When I was doing it, however, I found a metronome was very valuable in getting the timing right. It should take about 2 weeks to learn and a year to master. Make sure the deck is in good condition and your hands aren't too dry.
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Yiannis Veteran user Chicago USA 349 Posts |
T.J,
I couldn't agree more!!! |
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therntier Special user 681 Posts |
Jack Carpenter gave a huge tip on the strike. After rhythm, the most important aspect of the strike second is the angle at which you are taking the card. It should be parallel with the edge of the deck. People have the tendency to sail the card early, which will register in the mind of the spectator. After hearing this, I re-examined my second deal and actually altered technique. I currently use Marlo's No Touch second deal. For me, at least, it aided in keeping that card from sailing too early.
It's touches like these that make the strike second deceptive. Like people have said, the technique isn't overly difficult, but it is a little trickier to make it deceptive. Trevor |
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Airborne Ranger New user 68 Posts |
I've been practicing mine for over two years and I am still not happy with it. Much like the pass, it's just something that you must "get the feel of." Within a week I was able to do a great pass but I haven't gotten the deal yet.
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love2laugh Veteran user 374 Posts |
I've been learning the strike second deal from Martin Nash's "Award Winning Magic of Martin Nash" videos. Yes, he advises the Walter Scott's minimum brief method.
He suggests dealing the cards with the faces up and work on getting the brief soo small that the upper left index does not show. Wow, that is small. I get the knack for it after dealing about 10 in a row yet it is pretty tough. It helps to know that I may get this down after a couple of months. My fear was that I would practice sooooo hard for months and get nowhere. The good thing is that it seems to be much easier practicing the second deal rather than the bottom deal. The tackyness of my thumb also plays a big role. I'm afraid if I try a second deal in an actual performance that my fingers would be too sweaty and I'll miss the card. It is fun practicing. I'll keep at it! Thank you for your help. L2L |
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PapaG Special user 851 Posts |
A moist thumb is definitely preferable to a dry 'glassy' thumb (my problem)
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millusions New user 94 Posts |
Sortkwik helps a lot with improving your seconds. a passable brief should be about an eighth of an inch. The best of the best (nash and others) are between 1/32 and 1/64, although that's only to show off. Mine sits between 1/8 and 1/16. the smaller the better, although I agree that the rythm is as important. your brief could be microscopic, but if you delay in grabbing it, then why bother. Nash is at over 3000 hours of practice, he has me working on it every day,a nd I'm at about 500 myself. it may seem excessive, but with a move this important, don't fool yourself into thinking that one afternoon will do it. just remember that people never tire of watching perfection, and if you're not going to work to give it to them, take up baloon animals.
all the best, mike :smoke: |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Simon Lovell will tell you it takes 7 years. He does about the best I have ever seen. REally you need to define MASTERING before you claim it. Would you do it under fire in a money game where your gonna get a broken hand if you miss? That is how Simon defines it.
Good luck Danny
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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steve j Special user Long Island, New York 559 Posts |
This is a question that I believe cannot be answered because everyone is different in how they practice, the time they take to practice it, and what I call natural ability. Being able to learn new things faster than most others. Your natural ability I believe is the factor in how long it takes to master, but make sure that you are practicing this move correctly because I have seen many magicians master a move incorrectly because they didn't learn the move correctly because they rushed the learning of the move, take it slow and when you do master it it will be flawless.
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LeConte Special user Bay area 830 Posts |
A lifetime.
Drive Carefully
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Roger Kelly Inner circle Kent, England 3332 Posts |
L2L
This lifetime, and the next - probably. I can do a perfect one every time! (when I am on my own ) It goes t!t$-up when someone is waiting with baited breath! |
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love2laugh Veteran user 374 Posts |
Once you have the second deal working well (say after 200 hours of practice). Do you need to practice this slight every day to stay fine tuned? How much time do you need to spend weekly once the move is attained?
Thank you, L2L |
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