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Jonathan Townsend
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A day or so after the latest harry potter book was officially offered for sale, electronic versions were floating around.

A movie "valiant" that has not been released in America seems to have been floating around too, as it's been reviewed in America on sites.

Funny how in magic we defend the right to copy yet expect to be protected by copyright.
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I looked at the copyright notices in several books I own. I didn't see any mention about how certain companies reserved an option to violate these copyrights if the authors or publishers neglected to opt out of some massive program of theft. What part of, "No part of this book may be reproduced in any form without the written permission of the writer and publisher," is so hard to understand?

Partizan, maybe we have a cultural difference, but you seem to advocate conditional theft. You're suggesting that it's okay for someone to rob your house, steal your possessions, if you don't inform them specifically that you don't wish to be robbed. At least in the USA, if someone wants any of my possessions, the burden of requesting permission is on that person. I don't have to "opt out" of being robbed. The thief takes a chance on being arrested and imprisoned, or more likely in my case, dealing with a rather serious gunshot wound.

And Cholly, consider that you just might be making yourself difficult to understand. It appears Vandy Grift isn't the only one who believes you're advocating theft on the grounds that you feel powerless to prevent it. Hey, if it's going to happen anyway then it must be okay, right?

I'm sure Bill, Michael, and the others taking a rational position against theft aren't the only intelligent participants in this conversation. It might be that there is some emotional element to the idea of stealing other people's property that prevents some people from seeing the issue clearly. The real solution here, which I'm amazed has just barely been broached, is for Google to assume that copyrights are exactly that, legally binding rights of ownership that belong to the authors and/or publishers of the material.

If Google wants to copy a book, they already have an option to contact the publishers and authors to request permission to do so. Many authors, as we've seen by the responses to this thread, will feel this is in their better interests, and/or in the better interests of the general public, and happily provide that permission. But one should not have to contact the thieves and inform them of an unwillingness to be robbed. If Google neglects to take advantage of their option to seek and obtain permission, and copies the material anyway, then they certainly are opening themselves up to criminal prosecution for theft.

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On 2005-08-19 14:09, geemack wrote:
I looked at the copyright notices in several books I own. I didn't see any mention about how certain companies reserved an option to violate these copyrights if the authors or publishers neglected to opt out of some massive program of theft. What part of, "No part of this book may be reproduced in any form without the written permission of the writer and publisher," is so hard to understand?


But they are not "reproducing" a book - they are programing a computer to read the book so that people can search the text of the entire book. They only "reproduce" a few pages, they entire book can not be read online at the google site.

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Geemack, what part of Smile did you not understand?
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On 2005-08-19 02:51, Partizan wrote:

Bill, as an author If you don't want your works digitised I believe that you should have the choice of opting out. Smile

On 2005-08-19 16:59, Partizan wrote:

Geemack, what part of Smile did you not understand?
Sorry, Partizan, I hadn't picked up on the sarcasm. You made several previous comments that seemed to show support for Google's theft of copyrighted material. I take it your wink indicates you've changed your opinion on the issue and now disagree with Google's position.

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All I know about Google Print is that it could very easily kill magic.
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The "Cat's out of the bag" philosophy is one used by those that refuse to stand up against what is obviously wrong. One who admits it's wrong but goes along with the crowd has no character, is every bit as bad as those that steal in the first place and the copyright principle is so clear even a child could see the truth of the matter. Take a look at the word copyright. It says what it is for Pete's(not Biro) sake. The right to copy, DUH! It's not a publishright, not a scanright. If it gets copied you have the rights. You will not see me let a teenager influence my thinking on such matters. And they wonder why I call them sheeple.
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