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Ok, this is REALLY too good for all of you, especially Harry.

(Note to the room; Karrell Fox used to say that to me before he tiped me to something great, so take the above as a term of endearment).

But, ok.

Again, REALLY look at the stuff Ian makes. R E A L L Y look at it. We are talking miracles here. I created the following to be used with his ADA cuff. I have two versions, the easy to build one, and the harder one.

NOTE: I reserve all rights save a person's right to make ONE of these for themselves. If you want to market this, fine. My deal from day one has always been, if you want to put an idea of mine on the market, then make me the first one and give it to me. After that, I hope you sell a million of them.

Anyway, the joy here is the only gimmic is in the cuff. Which you can ring in and out as need be.

The easy idea is to build a mini "table of death". I'd use large butcher knives rather than spikes. Just looks worse. I see a base with legs. A pipe flange with a center pole that the "bed" slides up and down on, as well as guide rods on the sides to keep it in place.

You have eyelet screws on each side of the top of the "bed" you have fastened a rope to. This goes over the top of the center pipe, and holds the "bed" up. You put your hands around the center pipe, and are locked in the "regulation" cuffs.

There needs to be a cover, I am torn as to how to attach it. One idea was to put it on the bed, but then you can't see the knives. You might need to add another support for that.

Anyway, they light the support rope on fire, cover, and as you are working your hands loose, OOPS! Knives come crashing down!

Again, the ending is up to you. You could still be locked around the post for a magical effect. Or escape.

I will post the more complex one later.
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OK, big time.

First, either you can build stuff or you can't. If you can't you have NO business trying to build this.

Second, do NOT cut corners here. Make this big, massive, and scary!

Remember my deal, if you want to make these to sell, you have to give the first one to me. If you want to make ONE for yourself, then fine.

You are going to build a REAL, ungimmicked, guillotine! I mean 10 to 12 foot tall, 30 pound blade, cut your hands right off if they were in there one!!!!

You will have to dope this out from the many trick plans out there. You will need the "runners" on the side of the blade to keep it lined up (and for another reason).

The "stocks" are solid wood, with just two holes to put your arms in.

Again, Bless both Ian for making and Mark Cannon for selling the props to make this as simple as it is.

Now, open your mind, and see this......


"Ladies and Gentlemen, tonight I will now present my latest creation. I should add this is something even the Great Houdini never attempted. I do not think for a second he failed to do so out of fear, but rather he simply never thought of it. (Humility, try it sometime, it works wonders). I must have read more Poe than he did. (SMILE when you say that). Still, tonight, if I fail, that failure will end my career. Ladies and Gentlemen, Madam Guillotine!"

Open curtains, let them see the prop. Lacking curtains, have it pushed on now, or uncover it like a monument. Do NOT let them see what it is till now.

"You see before you a REAL guillotine. This is NOT a magician’s prop. It stands ten feet tall, the blade is made of stainless steel, honed to a razor edge and weighs over 25 pounds. It is held in place by that rope. These stocks are solid, and have holes to put something, or someone, inside. I shall use these two loaves of French bread....seems the right thing to use....to demonstrate."

Place the bread in the holes, undo the rope.

"If anything, or anyone, were in those holes, when that blade fell, the results would be instant, and disastrous. Allow me to demonstrate….”

You let go, the blade falls with a thud, and the bread is severed in two and falls to the floor.

“I will allow members of the audience to examine this guillotine. When they have satisfied themselves that it is indeed genuine, I will then let them examine these regulation handcuffs. The blade will be raised into the top position and tied off. I will then place my hands through the holes, and be locked in these regulation cuffs. I will be given a simple paperclip, and the rope, which holds the blade in place, will be set on fire!” I will have about 60 seconds to pick these maximum security cuffs, with this paperclip, before the blade falls!”

“Ladies and Gentlemen, in case of an accident, and accidents DO happen, my hands will be covered to prevent you from seeing a horrific site. I must now direct my attention to the matter at hand, I hope to speak with you more, in a few moments.”

Now, you do everything I said. There is a half circle of metal with bent ends that the Curtin is on which drops into eyelet screws in the front of the device to cover your hands. The cuffs are from Ian, nuff said. We know the rope will burn through in about 30 seconds, and the paper clip is foo-foo. But it is GREAT foo-foo.

Now, get the moment. We can see the blade, we can see the rope burning, we can see your face, worried and working…..

...first cuff is off and falls...

….and 10 seconds later, YOU DROP THE PAPERCLIP!!!!!!

Panic on your face. Look up, look down, kick your shoe off and try to get the clip with your feet. Tug and jerk….

….the blade falls!!!!!!

There is a crash as the cuffs hit the floor, you close your eyes and stiffen… then…. Ever so slowly…. You bring your hands up and run them through your hair…. Relax… breath… then come forward and take your bow.

Two things. If you can’t sell this leave it alone. Two, if you are going to build it, let me know because I left out the safety because the world doesn’t need to know how that works. Lets just say I used it for years and it will not be found, but there is NO WAY that blade can fall and hit your hands unless you are out of there.

Enjoy!!!
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There could be a line in there, that refers to the infamous would-be line of Marie Antoinette's. "Let them eat cake, she said", at the time of cutting the loaf. "And all they wanted was a simple crust of bread." Hold up the cut loaf, and take a bite. Etc.

And the guillotine was a great leveller. It could bring death to the simple folks, as well as the high and mighty...democracy in action, in a way.
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Love the routine Mark.

For those that can't build stuff yet want to use this escape, could it be possible to use a magicians prop guillotine?

The effect would be exactly as you said, except the safety would be the fact the guillotine is gimmicked.

Although personnally I would like to use the ungimmicked version someday (complete with safety obviously), but thought this could work. Will it?

Cheers,

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About 10 years ago I wass passed a videotape of Paul Daniels in the UK doing effectively your two ideas combined...it was arms locked around a post with I think a blade falling when he failed to escape...but he was still secure round the post when the curtain was removed. He used the thumbtie with a member of the audience right up close watching.
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On 2005-08-16 05:02, Roslyn wrote:
Love the routine Mark.

For those that can't build stuff yet want to use this escape, could it be possible to use a magicians prop guillotine?

The effect would be exactly as you said, except the safety would be the fact the guillotine is gimmicked.

Although personnally I would like to use the ungimmicked version someday (complete with safety obviously), but thought this could work. Will it?

Cheers,

Ros


I think the weakness would be the fact it can't be examined. Build the mini table of death first.
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On 2005-08-16 06:18, EscapeMaster wrote:
About 10 years ago I wass passed a videotape of Paul Daniels in the UK doing effectively your two ideas combined...it was arms locked around a post with I think a blade falling when he failed to escape...but he was still secure round the post when the curtain was removed. He used the thumbtie with a member of the audience right up close watching.


That is exactly how a magician should do it. I am not so sure an escape artist should do it that way.
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Dang man! Both are thrilling escapes! You’re absolutely right when you say that these are too good for us!

I liked the table of death and especially liked the idea of using large butcher knives instead of spikes or rods. The idea is killer (sorry I couldn’t resist!). The rope burn trigger is of some small concern (same concern as the upside down, burning rope, straightjacket escape). I think that a safety feature or two would have to be built in (since I am way past my prime and have become a fat, old and slow performer!).

I actually got chills just reading the guillotine escape. I’ve built three “real” guillotines over the years. OK, OK, they were magic props that looked as real as I could make them. One would actually cut a two by four in half and I almost lost my arm in a stupid near miss with it (cause me to get rid of it fast!). As I mentioned, all three were magic props and not all that dangerous (dangerous looking maybe but fairly safe!). None could stand close examination.

I think that this might be the next prop for me to build! I’ll have to talk to you about safety since this is not a magic prop!

I would hate to see either of these routines performed badly. Mark, you have outlined a couple of ideas that could potentially become a performers signature piece.

My notebook grows fatter! Thanks man!

The magician performance versus escape artist performance with the same prop is worth noting. I don’t think that many performers doing escapes (especially magicians performing the odd escape) actually get the difference. Frankly, I don’t think many escape artists get the concept of performing as an entertainment. Both of your ideas focus on the performance as theatre!
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Hear, hear!

The-ay-ter it is!
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OK, so NO ONE kills themself.

On the side of the guillotine, there is a "boat hook". Don't know what else to call this, but you know what I mean. It's that two pronged thingy that you wrap the rope around to hold your boat.

Remember I said to make the runners?

OK, you put the hook on to tie off the rope that holds the blade up. There is a hole dead center that goes through the hook base, and the wood, right into the inside of the guillotine. There is another hole into the wood and to the inside on the other side. This is on both supports

If anyone asks, they are there to grease the runners of the blade.

In truth, it is to save your butt.

As you are tying off the blade you insert a carrage bolt through the hole, through the side track, and into the hole on the other side.

Guess what? Now the blade can't fall! The runner will hit the bolt and the blade stops WAY before your hands.

Now, I did this for Y E A R S and NO ONE ever noticed. Everyone who I sent the Houdini Lives Again tape to, missed it. It looks like you are locking off the rope.

When covered, you to the ya-ya and pull out the bolt!

Ta-da!!!!!

As always, if someone wants to make them to sell, I get the first one.

I should add someone will be building Mark Tripp Oil Drums, and yes, I get the first one.

Blessings to you all.

PS: Isn't this a better place now?????
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On 2005-08-15 21:57, Harley Newman wrote:
There could be a line in there, that refers to the infamous would-be line of Marie Antoinette's. "Let them eat cake, she said", at the time of cutting the loaf. "And all they wanted was a simple crust of bread." Hold up the cut loaf, and take a bite. Etc.

And the guillotine was a great leveller. It could bring death to the simple folks, as well as the high and mighty...democracy in action, in a way.


Don't let this slip by folks.

Y E A R S ago I was directing a play about the guy who murdered women and got rid of the bodies with acid in the bath tub.

One of the high points was him carrying the body up the stairs to the bathroom, the lights dimmed and you could see the bath tub...

...and EVERYONE WOULD LAUGH!!!!

It took me a week to realise, THEY HAD TOO, it was just too tense.

We left that part out and no one laughed again.

However, now I would put a laugh or two into the build up, so there were no laughs in them when the moment of horror came.

Remember the zombie pie fight in the orginial Dawn of the Dead? Where was it? Right before the last batch of horror.

Humor is very important on the way to the build up.

Remember that, not a stand-up routine, just enough to make sure there are no laughs in them at the right time.

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The rope burn trigger is of some small concern (same concern as the upside down, burning rope, straightjacket escape). I think that a safety feature or two would have to be built in (since I am way past my prime and have become a fat, old and slow performer!)


This would bother me too if one were really picking the cuffs.

I am sure Ian will tell us which of his products he recommends for these stunts.
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Yep, using Ian’s products is why I said it was a “small” concern. I exploit a couple of pairs of his ADA’s. I won’t list the number of items that Ian has built that I use.

Oh yes, I have already stolen, I mean noted, Harley’s great line! Great work guys. You both keep uncreative and untalented guys like me working!

I’m not happy to hear that someone might be making and selling the Mark Tripp Drum Escape. That means that more people will be using them. Right now I have pretty much an exclusive on it!
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Ahhhh Mark, I've missed your posts, as I'm sure many of us have. Thank you for dropping these pearls on us and welcome back.
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Hi Mark T, thanks for the comments on my products. For the guillotine escape I would recommend either my 'sliding pawl' S&W or ADA S&W. The sliding pawl cuff is the traditional bridge jump cuff but this one doesn't have the possible weakness of the traditional handmade style. The concern of making the old style is that filing too much off the cuff can make the deadlock function not hold properly.

My sliding pawl model has no filed pawl teeth or bow teeth, both mesh postively and the deadlock holds fast for inspection purposed, In the latching mode the open as smooth as the traditional model. And the ADA, well going into it's 21 year, I guess it speaks for itself.

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ADA's are 21 years old?!?!?! WOW!!!!

So Ian. That would make you what, about 3 years old when you invented them?

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Hi Ros, so kind!!!!!! but not true. get older by the day...
The first pair I made I sent to Norman Bigelow for his display in his room where he held his Escape Masters meetings. 21 years ago....how time flys. Norman was kind enough to swap me a pair of his S&W model 90 which he used in the trial by fire. They are burnt up pretty bad but still work. They are on display with a letter from Norm about the cuffs and why he preferred S&W cuffs.

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That's a pretty neat story about the first set Ian. Fancy the very first going to Norm Bigelow.

Not to mention them be swaped for a pair of his cuffs used in trial by fire. That's cool!

I'm still amazed that even after 21 years there's not been another cuff produced that can really rivel the ADA's (I hope I haven't started a fight by saying that).

I know there are lots of cuffs out there and they are all great for different jobs, but the ADA is kind of a mutiple use cuff isn't it. Combining inspectability with ease of escape in an almost perfect way.

Sorry, I've gone off topic a bit there. But I hope you can forgive me Smile

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Hi Ros, the one thing that I wanted the ADA for but no-one ever seems to do or talk about, is a spread eagle arms escape. As the cuff fixed to the board or what ever can be release and then with the free arm, undo the opposite wrist, then lock the former cuff back after removing it from the wrist.

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That's a nice idea.

I'd not thought of having the cuff come away from the board before.

Oh boy can be really thick sometimes.

Take care,

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