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Lee Brown New user 65 Posts |
I thought Bill Palmer was going to put pictures of his street table up somewhere? What happened? I have seen him use it.
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swatchel-omi Regular user 116 Posts |
Hey Frank,
Thanks for the detailed onfo. I never thought of using a drafting board. What a great idea! Do you have a photo of the top ? Joe |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
I promise I will put it up soon. I took some photos of it, but they didn't come out well, so I need to re shoot.
My first "Street Table" was one I made to work at TRF. I took an Army foot Locker and made a set of shelves that would fit inside it so that it was divided into three sections when I stood it on one end. There were cleats on the other end to hold a set of cleats on the table top. The table top was cut to a size that would fit inside the foot locker. It had a drape that reached all the way to the ground. It looked really nice. I didn't actually work behind it. I usually just used it to as a place put props I was using for tricks.
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mdspark Special user 784 Posts |
What exactly is drafting board? I am not familiar with that term...is it easily available? Thanks!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
About the drafting board (craft board):
I got it from Aaron Bros. Art and Framing store. It's marketed as a place to work on your projects and not have to put everything away or a place to do crafts on your lap...(but we know better what it's for... Magic!). It is about 1" thick It's seems like a lightweight wooden frame with wood veneer. It's very light weight. I bought 2 (because I didn't want anyone else to have one).The other one is bigger still for like a close-up table. I will check the brand. I will try to take photos. The close-up pad material is actually called "backing" (I think that is the correct term) and it's for making something feel spongey, I think. I believe any good fabric store like joanne's will have it. It is not quite the same as close-up pad but very close. A little softer. It's the stuff that eventually peels off of your close-up pad but 3 or 4 times thicker. So it works about the same but does not have the rubber stuff; instead the soft part is thicker. I also thought of using fake suede or velvetine (No, not velveeta) but I already had a bunch of the pad stored away in a closet (that is totally full of magic and it's driving my wife nuts that every room in the house has been taken over for magic storage) So now I'm going to use it to do a simple dice stacking routine to help attract a crowd and then flip the table over and voila, it's a close up table ready to do magic. That's one reason I'm also making dice stacking cups out of wood... they are nice and loud for a street setting. Let me know if you want a wooden cup. I'm almost ready starting to taking orders. Frank Posted: Apr 30, 2004 8:04pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guess what everybody. Here's a link to the drafting boards. http://www.draftingdeals.com/draftingdea......nkid=152 or http://www.draftingdeals.com/draftingdea......nkid=152 I believe it is the first one.
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mdspark Special user 784 Posts |
Thanks for the links Frank...very helpful!
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I just verified that what I was calling "backing" is not called backing. It's called "header".
I just purchased a yard of microsuede and a yard of dark green velvet, and a yard of "header". I'm experimenting more with the tabletops. I'll let you know. Frank
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wayno Veteran user Canada 323 Posts |
Definitely excited to hear your results Frank. Please keep us up to date. Any idea what fabric the header is made of?
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Hernan Regular user San Francisco 126 Posts |
Should we be saving up money for a theambitouscard.com table??
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
The header is made of soft sponge with a sort of close-up pad feel. If you're lucky you can find a nice color. The colors today were pretty good and I picked up a dark red.
Honestly, when you go and check it out, you'll think it's a rolled up close-up pad, 100 feet long and 8 feet wide. It's $10 per yard or so. I used the velvet and cemented it to the "header" which was already cemented to the drafting board. I put on a wooden border and stained it dark. It looks great for a quick experiment. I don't know if I'd recommend velvet for a street table but I had to give it a shot. I'm too busy to make them myself but my neighbor down the street makes furniture for a living. Hmmmmm ..... I'll see if he's interested. He's got all the cool equipment. Frank
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
Gazzo swears by velvet of the furniture covering type. I use auto apolster..spos...apol..the stuff you cover the seats of a car with
The velvet on Gazzo's table seemed just as strong but much thinner and supple. That Gazzo, he's got an edge on everything when it comes to the street. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts |
Just a quick note when it comes to light weight tabletops -
If you're outside you'll likely want something that has at least some weight to it. The lighter the top, the easier it is for the wind to take it away. Now, that said, I don't strap my top down. It just sets on the tray jack. It's 24 x 36 and made out of 5/8" plywood. Very heavy. Too heavy really. I'll be making a new one that'll be about 20x28 to cut some size and weight off. As for the lightweight artist board previously mentioned, do you strap it down to your stand? Or is the weight not too much an issue to you? Sheesh this is a good thread. Gazzo should just publish this thread as a "Table" book. Robert Bloor
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
With the wood border the table is heavy enough to stay put I think except for a huge gust.
The wood border could be crafted with either a slot or small brass rings or something to allow 'hooking up'. I've been thinking about strapping it down but if it's to a tray jack, the whole thing might tip over in a huge guest, defeating the purpose. I am putting mine on top of a rolling suitcase table for the venue I'm at for convenience and security so it makes perfect sense and would work out very well. I also like the strapping down idea because when I start a set, people are right on top of me and often lean on the table. **** kids! Frank
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts |
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Frank: I also like the strapping down idea because when I start a set, people are right on top of me and often lean on the table. **** kids! Why not back them up? Take control of the audience. I always found when I had children crowd the table that my hats were only a few bucks because no on else could see. But when I backed them up so more could see, hats got bigger. Robert Bloor
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I agree about backing them up but when I first am drawing people, I let them get as close as they want for a while. I want them close up.
Good point, tho. Frank
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wayno Veteran user Canada 323 Posts |
I received my alluminum attaché case the other night and have already gutted it.
My plans for the close-up mat for the table for now is going to be a large bazar de magia close-up mat. To keep it in place, I am attaching four snap buttons to it, and riveting the button ends on to the top of the table. That way, it will not budge, but not be permanent as well. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2004-05-06 08:56, Danny Hustle wrote: Velvet it is, then! Frank
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Hernan Regular user San Francisco 126 Posts |
Frank,
You are a leather worker. Just for arguments sake, is there not a alternative leather covering? I can think of a lot of reasons for choosing leather. What are your opinions? |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Allow me to clarify...
I'm not a leather worker, nor a wood worker. Although I'm starting to wonder. I keep finding myself working with wood and leather . For the most part, I find people that are efficient, cost-effective and have the time, equipment, and materials to do the work, and a lot of it. I don't have the time or the equipment to do as good a job as these folks so I leave it up to them. It's good for their businesses and gets more and better products available for magicians. Many of the products were otherwise unavailable or too expensive to do any other way. I create the prototypes out of leather, fabric, and/or cardboard and pass it on. Then a real prototype is made. If it looks good then we tweak until it's just right. Then a bunch are made all at once. Waiting to see the first prototype is an interesting experience. I give enough latitude to the artisan so they can add their own design ideas that come from their experiences. Seeing one for the first time is usually a surprise. Not quite what I pictured. Luckily, the surprises are usually a positive experience. One of the best feelings I get is to walk into a shop and see a shop full of magic props. And there are times when the shop is literally FULL of magic props. As far as a leather covering, Eric Evans suggested this in his new and awesome book The Secret Art Of Magic (available on my website). I have certainly thought about it. I just have not tried it. Maybe I'll get some red suede from the shop. I could put together one using "header" for padding and red or green suede. Frank
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Hernan Regular user San Francisco 126 Posts |
Something that will age well.
Similar to the patina on a set of cups. I guess it could become possible that the leather alone would cost more than a smart magicians whole table. |
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