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Prophet
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First of all let me apologize if this is the wrong forum but I though a watch steal would fall under rings and things. What I was wondering is, what would you all recomend as the best way to practice a watch steal?

I have Chappy Brazils (sp?) tape and he mentions a few ways breifly. Just wondering how you all practice/practiced.



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My wife and other magi’s.

I love this effect. I do it while doing Crazy Mans Handcuffs, while they hold one rubber band and I work the other.

I don’t recall where I got this from, maybe it was Chappys tape? I also like the spoon bending method. If you slow the tape down you will be able to figure out how he is doing it.

The Watch Bandit is a good routine.

It works with the card stab in a paper sack.

I stole a plastic band twice from the same person this Christmas. I used both the rubber band and spoon bending.

This just proves that the misdirection is the most important thing while stealing a watch. I had a towel around the stick in my car for awhile and that was a great help.

You can also buy the arms that hang out of a door gag and use this. I had my wife sit next to me while at a movie or watching TV.

I stole, stole and stole the watch off her hand. At first she liked it because I was touching her instead of cards or coins but she too grew tried of that.

If your misdirection is good you can play with their watch all day without them knowing.

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Hi. Could you elaborate on the Paper Bag effect? Whose is it?



The watch steal is undoubtedly one of the most memorable things you can perform for someone.



You must pay attention to your revlation... Timed misdirection is important. If you play it right, they never remember that you ever touched their wrist.



It is ALL about misdirection. The method outlined by Francis Carlyle is as good as any, but forget all mumbo-jumbo about pressing on the watch before the steal.
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The video "Watch Bandit" is by Kevin King. The card stab used during the routine is Don Alan's
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Kevin King’s

Watch Bandit

Magic’s greatest performers, from Blackstone to Carlyle, cemented their considerable reputations by making the watch steal an integral part of their performance. For the first time, Kevin King reveals the watch steal that has been the cornerstone of his performances for over ten years. After thousands of performances, Kevin King has refined the steal so the spectator will swear you never even came near them, turning a stunt into a miracle. It’s all here... with no details held back. You’ll learn:

Which watches to steal
How to steal the watch
How to handle problems
How to maximize the impact
How to practice

As a bonus, you will learn Kevin’s cutting edge card stab routine, plus a terrific comedy gag!

Copied from the back of the video.
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Practicing watch-steals. I did this for years in my act. The best ways to practice are
1. people.
2. a novelty severed hand on a stick. The realistic rubber ones give a good skin feel. 3. practice on yourself, make it a habit of always removing your watch with a steal move. It grows on you. good luck! Smile
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Check out Greg Wilsons tape "On the spot". It has his watch steal on it.

I started practicing on family and other magicians. When I got good at it, I started doing it on laymen. I now attempt it whenever I get a chance.
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I have never done a watch steel. I have seen it and understand it. I think I will invest the time to learn it properly. Who is considered the best at this move?
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I like the idea of Kevin King's watch steal coupled with the Don Alan card stab because, if for any reason you just can't get the darn watch, you still have a VERY strong trick going for you.

If you DO get the watch, then that's just icing on the cake!
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Two points on the watch steal:

Most magicians who learn it tend to overuse it, tying it in to almost every routine. It should, in my opinion, only be done once (perhaps with multiple spectators' watches), and then, only as the big finish, in a given act.

Secondly, I would steer clear of stealing very expensive watches. Mars, scratches etc that may have already been there may get blamed on you, and there's always the chance of the band breaking and CRASH! If it's a several thousand dollar Rolex, etc, you may well be up a certain creek...
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Hi all,
I just wanted to say thanks for all the great help and advice.
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We just had Tony Eng come down for a lecture, and one of the things he demonstrated was his handling of the watch steal, that employed a three-phase process during the course of a finger-chopper presentation to remove the watch. Because the volunteer is focusing on the impending doom of his future ex-finger, Tony has plenty of misdirection (and all the time in the world practically) to remove the watch.
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The watch steal is to me analogous to the baffling bra trick. While most of the audience roars with laughter there is one person who is made the butt of a joke. It is one of those made to order effects you can use to make a fool of your victim. Smile
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On 2002-04-16 01:07, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Two points on the watch steal:

Most magicians who learn it tend to overuse it, tying it in to almost every routine. It should, in my opinion, only be done once (perhaps with multiple spectators' watches), and then, only as the big finish, in a given act.

Secondly, I would steer clear of stealing very expensive watches. Mars, scratches etc that may have already been there may get blamed on you, and there's always the chance of the band breaking and CRASH! If it's a several thousand dollar Rolex, etc, you may well be up a certain creek...


Scott makes a very important point (which applies to Ring Flight too) and should be carefully considered by all. In this day and age where lawsuits are just waiting to happen, this is a very real concern and worry (or should be) as I have seen it happen (not to me thankfully). I dropped performing both when I stopped working comedy clubs and don't miss doing them. I always carried additional insurance in case someone ever did try to go after me for apparent damamge. For those of you that feel it could never happen, guess again.

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Oh, also, if you damaged their "Rolex"...well no biggy, it is only a Rolex anyway. (I collect wrist watches and Rolex is about the most over rated so called luxury watch in the world). However, that said, I should let you know that most luxury watches are a helluva lot more durable than cheap ones. They typically have a saphire crystal which is almost impossibe to scrathc and it would take a diamond to scratch it. You would have a better chance of shattering it (and it would have to be hit just right and very hard), althought hey will cost you several hundreds of dollars to replace if you did. Just be wary of emtal bands, period. Those are easier to scratch and costly to replace if they go after you. Besides, leather starps are back in vogue and by far easier to steal anyway.
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The video "Watch Bandit" is by Kevin King. The card stab used during the routine is Don Alan’s


Actually, the card stab used dated back to Robert Harbin in the 1930s, and was published by Milbourne Christopher (Bag Stab) after that- Kevin mistakenly credited Don Alan.
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Jeff, I agree about the baffling bra and that in that case, the spec is humiliated and becomes the fool.

I dont like any effects where someone is put down or embarrassed in anyway.

But I see much less of the humiliation factor with Watch Steals - if they are handled right. It can be fun for everyone, including the one whose watch was stolen, if the circumstance is thought out and performed right. But that is just my opinion.

I have the Kevin King video and I dont think that Kevin really cause the "victim" to be embarrased as much as amazed.

Some people will be offended by almost anything. And choosing the right person to ue a subject for the watch steal is critical to the success of the whole effect.

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BroDavid,

Could be, but I know one magician, a good one, with the nicest personality to match, and a routine that is as non-threatening as you describe, who is the proud owner of a Rolex watch because the owner was too humiliated to admit it was his. (This included a private after the show attempt to give it back.)

I will grant you that the humliation factor can be much less, but it still remains.
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I did my first 2 watch steals last week.
I slightly modified a technique I learned from Jeff Hobson in his
Live Video. His is a one-hand steal that I feel very comfortable with and i gave it a shot after only a week or so of practicing.

Neither were quick. Both worked. Very exciting thing to do. To be standing there B.S.ing with a few people and you have a watch and they don't know it.

In Jeff Hobson's Live Video, he steals watches during the whole performance and then pulls them all out of his pockets one by one at the very end.

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On 2002-08-20 20:23, Jeff Dial wrote:
BroDavid,

Could be, but I know one magician, a good one, with the nicest personality to match, and a routine that is as non-threatening as you describe, who is the proud owner of a Rolex watch because the owner was too humiliated to admit it was his. (This included a private after the show attempt to give it back.)


A free Rolex sounds pretty cool to me.
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I've had the chance to see Apollo's pickpocketing skills and his watch steal is flawless (I wish I were like him).

I learned how to watch steal from the Chappy Brazil video and yes he discusses it briefly. I can refer you to James Freedman, Bob Arno and Apollo Robbins if you are really interested in watch steals and or pickpocketing stunts.
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