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Jonathan P.
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Is there any published material from Apollo, concerning his watch-steal?
Txs.
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WE had Apollo hear in Atlanta for a lecture and his steals are different than any thing else I've seen! He can start by shaking hands with his LEFT hand and steal the watch. He also discourages the usual flapping of the spectors arms! His steals are based on real street stealing methods (as practiced by his step-brothers)where you could go to jail if caught! And no, I don't remember what videos he had for the watch steals...
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One of the best watches to borrow from a spectator is a Rolex. A real Rolex is very difficult to damage. But a fake Rolex may be made from anything from putty to stainless steel. If the second hand on the watch jumps, it's not a real Rolex.

Regarding Ring Flight -- I've done it for years. I take one big precaution with it that most magicians fail to do. I examine the ring very closely when I get it. If I see loose prongs around a stone, I give it back. Also, if I see that there are any "seats" without "passengers" in them, I tell them about it.

I do prefer to work with signet rings and wedding bands, though. It's a whole lot safer.

The only time I have ever had a problem was once when a lady gave me a ring and the whole top of it came off in my hand. It was made so she could change tops. I had not damaged the ring, and everyone thought it was very funny. Except me!

That was when I really started examining the rings.


BTW, the use of a bag to conceal the steal may go back to Irv Weiner. He used an egg bag as cover for a watch steal.
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Bill: but there are real Rolexes made of stainless as well =)
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I know. That's not what I was saying. I said that a fake can be made from anything from putty to stainless steel. What I meant by that is that there are no "standards" for knockoffs. They may be brass. They may be copper. They may be aluminum, or even pot metal.

My genuine Rolex is stainless and gold. That way it goes with anything. Stainless steel is a very durable material. A real Rolex also has a sapphire crystal. These are very difficult to scratch.

The Rolex people are very proud of their watches. If one of them is damaged by an idiot magician, they are quite likely to repair it for very little. I haven't had a chance to test this, though.
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On 2005-01-18 10:25, Jonathan P. wrote:
Is there any published material from Apollo, concerning his watch-steal?
Txs.


I think it is in The Art of Stealing Watches Book. You can't go wrong with it for $15.
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Bill, this is slightly OT now, but I was wondering if you knew of a good place to get Rolex watches? It's my parents' 25th anniversary this year, and I was thinking of getting them matching Rolex watches.
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I saw a magian get seven spectators on stage and he went along shaking their hands stealing all their watches. Personally that's what I like to do, is take it straight away, when the spectator comes onstage
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On 2005-01-19 14:00, Bill Palmer wrote:
One of the best watches to borrow from a spectator is a Rolex. A real Rolex is very difficult to damage. But a fake Rolex may be made from anything from putty to stainless steel. If the second hand on the watch jumps, it's not a real Rolex.



They are good to borrow but tough to steal I think. The Oyster and Oysterlock braclets can be tough espically with the safety clasp. Also, I've never seen a decent method for stealing a watch that has to be removed over the persons hand. I know it can be done (rubber bands over the wrist etc) it's just more difficult. I like the little leather bands myself for a steal or failing that any kind of watch that goes over the wrist.

Also, be careful, many ladies watches have a very thin chain that goes from one end of the band to the other basically making a loop out the watch band. This delicate chain can be snapped very easily.
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On 2002-04-16 01:07, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
Secondly, I would steer clear of stealing very expensive watches. Mars, scratches etc that may have already been there may get blamed on you, and there's always the chance of the band breaking and CRASH! If it's a several thousand dollar Rolex, etc, you may well be up a certain creek...


I saw once, thank god only for a brief moment, what that winding and ugly creek looks like. I stole the watch and in all the excitement FORGOT TO RETURN IT.

Don't roll your eyes and say "Oh sure! He "FORGOT" to return the watch...."

It screwed up my timing and concentration when I absent mindedly pulled it from my coat pocket. My Topit and side coat pockets are connected of course. Returned the watch out of sequence and went on. The rest of the time I spent wondering how forgiving or not the gracious assistant would of been had I discovered it at home. Not good. I've done less and less work on pockets since.

There's a lot of fine lines here and you are responsible for them all.

Keep track of what you take and whom you took it from! Not only does the performer overload the victim...err..spec/volunteer while taking a few items but he himself may forget what was taken. Handling the nervous volunteer, grabbing by the shoulders to have them stand here or there, pushing them into a chair to make them "more comfortable", dragging them on stage by their wrist or before the small audience all present opportunities to take everything but their very soul. However, they have to be given back if EVERYONE is to be entertained.

One of you will forget and that ain't good partner.

Hope you never acccidentally make it home with the goods - especially mine...
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On 2002-08-20 20:23, Jeff Dial wrote:
BroDavid,

Could be, but I know one magician, a good one, with the nicest personality to match, and a routine that is as non-threatening as you describe, who is the proud owner of a Rolex watch because the owner was too humiliated to admit it was his. (This included a private after the show attempt to give it back.)

I will grant you that the humliation factor can be much less, but it still remains.


I know who you are talking about. The man in question would have lost face had he admitted it was his watch. He would have also lost face if he had indicated in any way that he was concerned about the cost of something as trivial as a Rolex. The magician in question was on a very rare lecture tour in Houston a couple of weeks ago.

In general, the baffling bra is embarrassing because it concerns female undergarments. Houdini outstripped is not nearly as embarrassing because it concerns male undergarments. The watch steal is very seldom embarrassing to the person who has it done to him or her (mainly him). Your case in point is an anomaly.
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When I practice this I try it on my family members.
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On 2002-08-19 13:39, BroDavid wrote:
Jeff, I agree about the baffling bra and that in that case, the spec is humiliated and becomes the fool.

Does anyone remember the "Women's Lib" Bra Trick from the 70's? ouch!

I was thinking of working up a comedy act where you ONLY do that kind of magic - Bra Trick, Topsy Turvy Bottles, watch steals, "stand on the trap door" "Not that hand, the clean hand" but then I realized that nobody would "get it" as being funny, and would assume that I was really trying to pass that stuff off as entertainment. I suppose someone like Andy Kaufman or Bob Zmuda could pull off a character like that, but I don't have the talent, patience or stomach for that.

Back to watch steals - I think that if presented correctly and in the right performance context that they can be entertaining, however if done poorly it can tarnish the image of magic and magicians overall.
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Regarding Apollo's watch steal, his whole routine can be found in his lecture notes "Time For A Change", which can be purchased from Shoot Ogawa at http://www.holyshoot.com
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