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HI everyone,

I just recently noticed that there are two signed bill to kiwi routines and was wondering wich was better.

Carl Cloutier's dvds are 5$ more expensive, but it also might be a better routine. could some one help me chose wich one to get?

Thanks alot,
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Carl Cloutier uses a different method than Martin Sanderson. Both have its merits. Personally, I prefer Martin Sanderson as his Signed Bill To Kiwi is very adaptable to many close-up situation; although re-set is not instant. Bottom line is that Carl's method does not fit me but it might suit your style. This topic has been discussed before here in the Café. So let the search engine does its work for you...
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Actually Sanderson method is a 100% rip off of cloutiers method. It is totally same that Cloutiers. Also the s... part. I have not seen the new Cloutier DVD but in old VHS tapes he teaches also the variation Sanderson uses on tape. I would recommend you buy Cloutier tapes because he was the orginator, Sanderson is just a rip off.
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I like Carl's routine. He truly is a master. Go find his lecture notes. Way cheaper than the dvds and they have a nice description of the effect.
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Also consider the other material that is on both of the DVD's.
Both have more than bill to Kiwi, so perhaps choose on what other effects you might like to learn. Carl deals a lot with s***ving techniques.
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Just for the record, Sanderson credits Cloutier in his DVD. I would not consider that a "rip off".
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thanks for the responses. I have been having trouble finding Carl Cloutier's lecture notes containing the bill to kiwi. could someone help me?

thanks alot,
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Kennan, not sure if you found it yet but here is a lot if not all of Carl Cloutiers products:
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