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Arkadia
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Hello everyone. I am planning a new escape and would be happy if you could help me out a bit. The escape I am about to do is a version of a chain escape. I want to have my hands cuffed behind my back and then wrapped up in two heavy and long chains. The escape will be presented as the finale of my medival show so the cuffs need to be old-looking. (The accurasy of the age of the cuffs are not important - only looks are.) The esacape will be presented in full view but I have no problems banging the cuffs to the ground or anything like that. I will probably do a pretty dramatic perfromance anyway. The props have to whithstand a more or less full examination.

I have been talking to Cannons - from where I plan to buy my cuffs - and they have recomended two different cuffs.

First of - the Darbys
They look kinda old and the escape would be pretty easy to do because of the flexibility in the handcuff. I have to bang the cuff to the floor to escape from them but that should not be a problem.

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/Shopp......ase.html

The second choise is the Come alongs
They look old and difficult to escape from. Since my hands will be seperated by the bar between my hands the escape will probably be more difficult. I still have to bang them agains somthing hard and that might be tough when chained. Still, I like the look of them.

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/Shopp......ase.html


Any suggestions, modifications and opinions are welcome!

Thanks!

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The Darbies don’t particularly fit a medieval or Renaissance period theme. I think that you should look into some shackles (easy to have fabricated locally once you know the pattern).

Check out:
http://www.ealib.org/legnhand.html

For the kind of thing I am thinking about. They would have to be “antiqued” a bit. Cannon’s has something similar at:
http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/Shopp......ase.html

Or check these out:
http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/Shopp......ase.html

But then you will have to find antique looking padlocks so the cost increases.

The thumbscrew looking wrist restraints (Bangos) that Cannon’s sell looks very wicked and medieval. I actually think that they will play as well or better than the 1902 Come-along.

http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/Shopp......ase.html

However, I must admit that the Come-along does have that antique look and could be passed for a renaissance restraint

I will be very interested in what you finally decide upon.
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Hi Ark, if you are going to the Cannon's escape artist convention, I will be featuring a new style cuff which should suit you needs. I hope to see you there.

Ian
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Murphy: I have been looking at the padlocking cuffs you refer to - but I don't like the idea with more badlocks. I have a bunch of old time padlocks that would work just fine - but no, its not what I am looking for. Unfortunately.

I know that the darbys are not old enough, but the look could work. But I agree, they look a bit to modern and another cuff would be better. Still, I am afraid that the Come Along will be a bit to difficult to escape from while chained and cuffed behind the back.

The Bangos look just great - but how do I escape from them without gimmicked padlocks?

Ian: I would love to go there but cant aford the trip. I have heard so much about your work and would probably just love them. To bad.




Thanks for the fast answers!

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Hi Ark, I will be getting a new camera on the trip over in Oct. so then I will be able to send you a photo of this new cuff if you want.

regards

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That would be great. I don't know if I'll wait until october to buy my cuffs, but I am interested in more than one brand.

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Ark, I agree that the problem with the ideas I offered (including the Bangos) is that you are stuck using padlocks! At least the Hinged Figure 8 and the Bangos use only one lock.

You are right in your estimation of the difficulty using the Come-along. I have a set and have never tried to open them behind my back. You will need something to bang them against (perhaps a post?). It’s going to be a pain (literally) to open them.

Perhaps Ian could send you a photo and pricing of his new cuff. I am interested in seeing it too!
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Hi Harry, wanting to have several surprise items for the Cannon's escape convention, I am not wanting to discuss the cuff here at this moment. For those who are able to make it to the convention, it and some other new products will be there. As soon as the convention is over and I get a new digital camera ( my dog chewed the lest one)I will get photo's out there.

Ian
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Have you thought of using something like the Champion (I think that's what they're called) manacle. You can check them out at http://www.richardsherrysmagic.com/produ......pes.html and scroll down about half way. They are titled "Handcuffs" and can be found just under the "Inspectable Neck and Wrist Shackles".

I use something similar made by Ian and you can have the chain(s) threaded on the bar between the two wrist loops.

You can either use a gimmicked padlock, or you could have just the wrist loops made up and use the gimmicked bar that most use for the mail bag escape.

As the bar is behind your back you have enough cover to do the business and nobody will see.

If you use the gimmicked bar then you can have the padlocks borrowed from the specs.

Although you are stuck using padlocks, I don't see this as too much hastle as you'll be using them to secure the chain around your body anyway.

Good luck,

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Murphy: Thank you very much for that information. Allthough I love the Come-Alongs I perform pretty often during the right season and I don't want to have a sore arm at all times. (Even though the chain escape sometimes hurts a bit.) I will probably go for the darbys despite the newer looks. To bad, I started to get addicted to the Come-alongs. They look so heavy and evil - sort of.

Roslyn: I have no problems using padlocks. Gimmicked padlocks are a problem though because of the old look which is essential för the escape. Another problem with the cuff you recomend is that I will do the escape at markets, on the street and that kind of venue. That meens I will be surounded at all times. Therefore a similar bar, as the one used in the post bag escape, won't work. But the cuff looked interesting and I really liked the page. Haven't seen it before. Thanks!


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For the Antique looking Padlocks you can get Copies/Fakes for under $15.00/$10.00 a Piece. Don,
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Ark,

Fare enough. I can see your point. I'm glad the post was of some use. I guess the more you know what you don't want the closer you are to knowing what you do want.

Good luck and please keep us all posted as to how it goes.

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I have come up with an idea. I will use darbys I put in water. Therby they will be a bit rusty and look older. I'll have to make shore that the locking mechanism works flawless though. Otherwise I will be in a tight spot when I try to get them open.

What do you think about that?

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I wouldn't recommend that, it will certainly cause problems with the bolt and spring.

If you are decided on Darbies, why not obtain an inexpensive set made in India . . like these:

http://www.handcuffs.org/gallery/Indian_1.jpg

The sets I have had rust without any help from me Smile and you can make them inspectable on the wrists. PM me if you want to know more!

Regards

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Riley: Sounds great! Where can I buy the Indian darby as you described?


Another question; I am a quite thin guy, how big are the darby cuffs. I am afraid I can pull out my hands from them.

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Arkadia

PM'd you with info.
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Sorry Riley that I didn't answer you mail. I posted an order to Cannons the same day I got your mail and forgot all about your cuffs. I really like them and am thinking about buying them. I'll have to look at the cuffs cannons have sent me. I'll keep in touch.

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No problem. I still have them.
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An update about my escape-plans. I have bought a pair of darbys and they look old enough. I have exchanged the link between the two cuffs with an old and mean looking chain. I have also got my fingers on an old rusty chain about 30 feet long. After reading John Novak's "Punisher suit-escape" in his book "A modern handcuff act" I decided to go for that one. I will make a punishment suit that fits a medival show. (heavy canvas and leather bits and straps.)

Now I am wondering if anyone has experience from this escape? How long does it acctually take to get out when you know your ways around the chains and leather belts? To put all the gear will take some time so I am thinking about the risk that the audience will leave during the escape. (And yes, I know about street theater, busking etc. I also understand that it is the escapist, not the escape in itself that is exciting.)

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Yet another update (not that anyone cares).

Today I managed to build me a lockpicking thingy from an old pen and som wire. Thanks Riley for the instructions! You're a gem. So, removing the darbys from behind my back only takes some seconds now. It did take time the firs way around though. I first started experimenting with the key, but since I had to turn the key eight full revolutions first in one direction and then eight yet again to remove the key - I realized that it took way to long.

So my escape plans are getting better and better. Will try with chain tomorrow. It is do difficult to actually practise escapes on your own. I need someone who can chain me up. Smile

/Ark - with bloody fingers - over and out.
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