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MagicDan21
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On 2005-10-02 07:53, MikeRaffone wrote:
Here's the challenge. How would you respond if this was your boss at work or a potential client, someone you want to keep in your favor?


Tell him a B.S alternative method..durr
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Get a feel on how genuine their request is.
Are they just curious or are they REALLY interested in learning magic for the greater good.
Think how you would have liked someone to answer your question when you first started out.
Let your intuition guide you.
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If someone is geniunely interested a great one would be to show them how to do coin in egg by secretly droppng the coin into the glass. Then BLOW them away with HATCHING n tell them if they work hard they will be able to do it that well.
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If someone is geniunely interested a great one would be to show them how to do coin in egg by secretly droppng the coin into the glass. Then BLOW them away with HATCHING n tell them if they work hard they will be able to do it that well.
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Tell them to look up the Fizbin Drop. If that doesn't discourage them, what will Smile?
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On 2005-10-01 23:34, sunnydolan wrote:
Its easy. Point them towards your favorite magic website, and tell them to buy some cheap close up trick like a folding half dollar, or a bite-out coin. Those usually discourage laymen after they see how much practice they will need to put in to the handeling, being new to coin sleights. That should keep them off.


I know this post is old, but it caught my eye and I had to respond. This is, in my opinion, a terrible idea. Pointing them to tricks that reveal the workings simply by the title or description will reveal secrets, not keep them! Both the folding half dollar and bite-out coin advertise a "special" coin; this would not help keep anything secret.
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In the Magic shop I work in, we have a child who comes in every week. He is about 13 years old, and he says to us he isn't a magician, he doesn't want to be a magician, but he hates being fooled. So he buys the tricks just to find out for himself how they are done. Best thing to do is to encourage them either to practice it and keep the secret they have paid for, or just enjoy the feeling of confusement
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"Do I come to McDonalds and ask you how you make fries"?
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"Do I come to McDonalds and ask you how you make fries"?

........most effective when asked in front of other folks. Must be asked with a smile on your face and a lightness to your tone.
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On 2006-12-16 22:55, silverking wrote:
"Do I come to McDonalds and ask you how you make fries"?

........most effective when asked in front of other folks. Must be asked with a smile on your face and a lightness to your tone.

I don't know how that wouldn't be insulting.
The reality is that in today's world everything has a price. Long gone are the days of magicians' secrets being passed on from generation to generation, magician to budding magician. We live in a world of online magic resellers that are out to make a quick buck and to the detriment of magic and its secret society.
I've learned to focus more if my energy on my performance than anything else -- as long as my audience is enjoying the show, that's all I care about.
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I'm not saying turn yourself into Michael Richards, but once an audience member crosses the line by insisting you tell him how a trick is done, they're fair game.

The point is to quiet them down and not alienate the rest of the crowd.

I think how a magician chooses to actually accomplish that doesn't follow the same rules as those which state you never insult an audience member while doing your routine...........you're not doing YOUR routine, you're trying to stop the questioner from doing THEIRS!

BTW, the McDonalds line is one of many that on the surface may appear to cross the line, but in reality play quite well.
The goal is to get them to either quit asking, or to go away.
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Is anyone old enough to remember when secrets were, well SECRET?

NOT everything has a price, more like MOST PEOPLE have a price.

It is secret. DON'T TELL IT. By definition isn't that what a secret is?

We should have a new name for them. TRICKS really seems to be appropriate of late.
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I think the 'creed' of never telling has a few exceptions, as do most things. For example, a few months back I did a birthday party and this kid came up to me after and asked if I could teach him a trick. I could just sort of tell this was a boy who probably didn't have too much going for him at home, and I thought how wonderful it might be to spark his interest in magic. Give him a hobby maybe. Soooo, I taught him a simple coin vanish and a routine to practice. He was amazed, and the smile on his face was priceless. Did I break the magician's creed? Technically, yes. Did I enlighten someone as to the wonderful world of magic? I sure hope so. What I did was give him a taste...nothing more and nothing less, and I have no regrets. Consider it a 'free sample' maybe Smile
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Mention you could provide lessons...

Or refer him/her to sources...

Or break the 'code' 'a little' like above and teach a VERY simple thing.

My approach is, if they are asking out of curiosity, just keep PERFORMING. They seem to enjoy and appreciate magic, so will keep watching. Explain nothing, say 'yes ok, here...' and simply do another effect. By the end of the effect they either have forgotten that they asked or get the message that you won't reveal without you having to spell it out, and whilst they watch more magic. Works for me.

Cheers

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Oh and could someone show me this "code"?
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If asked this, I tell the truth.

I tell them I promised to keep magic secrets and I don't break promises.
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It's a necessity to keep secrets. I come from the pro wrestling world, and our secrets have been exposed, which actually caused a lack of interest. If someone is interested in learning the secrets of wrestling, we usually initiate them in physically with something that hurts to show them that wrestling is not fake. I like the idea of testing their interest, and seeing what they do with it.
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Well it usually depends on the situation. Sometimes I just say some phrases I learned in some David Blaine’s show "For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don't no explanation will be enough". Maybe I make a joke about "Can you keep a secret???? Me too!” Sometimes I take the approach of telling people that I just don't reveal secrets because I would break up the illusion and in some cases I will pretend to teach an effect but instead I make a kicker end.

For example here's my post on some situation when I was performing Dr Daley's Last trick and some person asked me to teach him some magic trick.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=4836138

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I have two things I do. I'll either

A) Do the sucker torn and restored napkin trick (as it begins under the pretense that you're teaching them how to do the trick), or

B) I'll genuinely teach them a simple card trick - the reversed card in deck trick. I never feel bad about revealing this secret as it was the first trick I learned as a young boy and you can get it off the back of cereal boxes. I tell them "I have one trick that I don't mind sharing the secret, because it was the first trick that was taught to me.
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I'm sorry, I promised not to tell.
Woke up.
Fell out of bed.
Dragged a comb across m' head.
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